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110 grain 30 cal in A .308 for hunting coyote and deer?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by JDMorris, Nov 14, 2010.

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  1. JDMorris

    JDMorris Member

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    If i made good shots would it work? I would rather use a bullet that will stay in the critters, making it easier to convince farmers to let me hunt thier land by saying I use a specialized bullet that fragments or somthing.
    Will it do? coyotes will be headshots, deer, behind shoulder shots.
     
  2. Ditch-Tiger

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    Will it kill a yote, definitely.
    Will your gun stabilize that light of a round to accurately group, probably not.
     
  3. CHEVELLE427

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    i tried just a few in my cetme 308, they cycled but im not sure what down range looked like, i just wanted to see if it would cycle and feed
     
  4. Kachok

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    Plenty of 1:10 twist 30-06s stabilize 125-130 gr 30 cals, so I don't see why a 308 would not do the same. I don't think that anyone builds a 110gr that I would trust on deer though. There is a 125 gr Ballistic tip that should open very quickly, fragment half it's weight and still penatrate the vitals without much over penatration. That would be my top pick without going to another caliber (100gr 25-06....Evil smile) I can give you the Nosler reloading numbers if you like.
     
  5. JDMorris

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    I don't load, was planning on it but dont have the money for it.
    I do know a guy who does load, and he will load whatever for me if I bring him the ingredients. as long as it's safe.
    for a cost... I need somthing light for them critters till I can get a .223 or .243 designated 'yote gun.
     
  6. Art Eatman

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    Odds are that even a "slow" 1:10 twist will stabilize the 110-grain well enough for Bambi and Wily. They worked okay in my 1917 Enfield, whatever twist those are. (You look it up. I'm lazy.)

    Neck shot or cross-body heart shot? Fine. I would avoid an angling shot through the body to hope to reach the heart/lungs.

    That bullet will probably fertilize a half-acre of ground with coyote parts and pieces, though. :D
     
  7. Daniel Boone

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    110 grain bullet in a 30-06 is too light.

    It will fly real fast, but will not retain much energy down range.

    I believe that you need both good penetration and a adequate bullet size to properly dispatch a whitetail deer and the problem with your thoughts is that the 110 GR bullet will not retain enough energy for a clean pass thru shot.

    Your goal would be better served using a .243 and not a 30-06
     
  8. Harley Quinn

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    06 have a nice spread of bullets...But imho 125 is about as low as I would go...It is not overkill, it will do the job nicly...

    If you want to use the 110 do some reloading, and take them to the range see if they are worthy of loading or not... I would not bother myself, go with the 125s... Best to be able to hit what you aim at, look around, I am sure there are some bullets that mushroom better than others...

    Good article in the last "Rifleman" about bullets...It is a worthy read...

    Regards
     
  9. rcmodel

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    My old 30-06 Springfield 1/10 two-groove barrel will shoot 110 grain varmint bullets MOA.
    A 1/12 .308 will do even better with them.

    They shoot very flat out to 400 yards or more.
    In a .308, started at 3,200 FPS, with a 200 yard zero:
    They drop 11" at 400 and 18" at 500.

    But they are VERY explosive on coyotes & crows, and I don't think I would trust them to always make it through a deers ribs or shoulder bones.

    You would be much better off with a 125-130 designed more for hunting.

    rc
     
  10. susquehannaslim

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    If you plan on hunting deer with your 308,dont use any boolit lighter than 150grs. JMHO.
    Let the flaming begin !!!!
     
  11. TIMC

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    If I read your post right you are thinking a lighter bullet will not over penetrate. That thinking is incorrect.

    Pretty much any bullet weight and construction can and will pass through depending on the situation (bullet construction, range, muzzle velocity, soft tissue pass through).

    I would stick with whatever bullet weight shoots well out of your rifle then tailor a specific bullet construction and powder load that optimizes accuracy and has enough energy to rapidly expand the bullet. If you don't want bullets flying around past the target then accuracy should be your top priority more than over penetration.

    I have found in my AR-10 that Hornady SST's perform very well and seldom exit on deer at ranges of 100 yards or more and those that do don't really have much left energy wise even though they are flying at 2820fps out of the barrel.

    Another example it the FN PBR rifle I have that I am running 125 grain Sierra spitzers out of. I see through and through shots more with this round than the Hornady SST's.

    One other suggetion on bullet construction would be to try the Berrys plated bullets. I have used them with great success out of my Beowulf having no pass though shots on anything past 60 yards out while hunting pigs. These bullets would litterally blow up on impact. My only concern would be how they would hold up at speeds, say over 2300-2400 fps.
     
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    My .308 is A 1:10 twist Howa M-1500. Why is it that a fast twist does not stabilize lighter bullets? I have heard my twist will stabilize up to 220 grain loads.
     
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    Who says it doesn't?

    Like I said above, my 1/10 30-06 shoots 110's under an inch on a good day.

    It is much harder to over-stablize a short bullet then it is to under-stabilize a long bullet.

    rc
     
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    I have loaded some in my 300 Win Mag and have taken groundhogs and deer at over 150 yards. ;)
     
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    well, Looks like the 125 grainers have got the deal right now.
     
  16. X-Rap

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    I thought you said you had a shotgun? I would use it while calling and just tend more to the brush. Put a good 22 Hi Power centerfire on your Christmas list and see what happens.
     
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    That twist rate with the velocities you have will not stabilize a 220gr bullet. And just to be clear, it isn't the weight, it is the length of the bullet.

    Do some research on "The Greenhill Formula." Look for a program that calculates it and see what length bullet your rife will stabilize.
     
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    Check out Georgia Arms. They have a 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tip at 3000fps. I have used this load for some years in my 308 and it does tremmendous damage but does don't frag like old NBT did . Deer just don't move more than a couple steps and fall. I do shoot center chest and typicaly will find damage to the spine too. Never shot a deer with it beyond 200 yards. Have this in a shorter lighter 788 rem just for bottom hunting.
     
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    I shoot the 110s out of a 30-06 and have been killing deer with that load for 20yrs. Never recovered a bullet but the damage is extreme.

    I've taken deer from 75 to 200yds with it and never had to go look for one.

    When I started developing the load for it I quickly found one that put 3 shots into just over an inch and stopped right there. I'm confident that with a little load development I could have shrunken those groups a good bit but as it was only meant to be a 200-250yd deer getter there wasn't much point in it.

    I'm getting over 3200 fps out of it which is plenty for the ranges I shoot with this light bullet.
     
  20. Kachok

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    110s YIKES!! what bullet is that? I am more of a full penatration guy, because if I had my choice of bullet failures I would much rather have a bullet under expand and leave a clean .264-.30 cal hole through the vitals then have a bullet explode just under the skin. Round balls and FMJs were killing deer long before high tech poly tips were ever thought of. That said if you can find a 110-125 gr that will stay intact long enough to reach the vitals every time by all means go for it, a 308 or 30-06 has plenty of kenetic energy for a shock kill.
     
  21. kaferhaus

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    Nosler Ballistic tip.

    Usually leaves a hole on the outbound side big enough to put 3 fingers in so penetration is not an issue.

    The BC of this bullet ain't great and it will lose steam quickly so like I said it's a 200-250yd bullet.

    The one 'short range" deer I killed, right at 75yds the little bullet just about turned the heart and lungs into liquid.... one gooey mess. The longest one was a yard or two shy of 200yds and blew the top of the heart apart. Looked like someone had taken a ice cream scoop full out of it.

    The only dodgey shot I made with it was at (guessing cause I didn't step it off) was a rear quartering shot at about 125yds. Bullet exited out the front of the animal just below the neck torso junction. That one fell straight down in a heap.

    I don't hunt deer with 22CFs but it's legal here and many guys have harvested some nice bucks with a 63gr semi point out of 223s.

    Just really doesn't take much to kill a 200lb deer if you choose your shot wisely.
     
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    It's possible to approach 3,500fps with the .30/06 with the 110gr bullet. I've gotten sub-moa at 3,350fps. However for deer hunting with a 110gr from an '06, I'd use a lighter load. Something with less noise and blast. A starting load of H4895 is a good start.

    The Hornady 110gr PtSpt (don't know if they still make it) worked best for me. They also made a 110gr HP that was likewise accruate but was very-very explosive on varmints and I'd not recommend it.

    I would't guarentee that either of these bullets wouldn't exit a deer, as it would be dependent on impact velocity. I've seen the 75gr .257" hollow points that are very similar to the 110gr .308's completely penetrate deer when shot from a .257Roberts at 3,400fps. I took 7 deer one evening on a depredation permit with that load, and NONE of them remained in the deer. Ranges ran from 75yds to 300+yds.

    I would just convince the land owners by your gracious behavior that you are a good risk, not by some "super special ammunition that you made yourself" deal.
     
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    110gr 30 cal Ballistic Tip?? My new Nosler manual contains no such bullet, did they discontinue them? The lightest one listed is the 125gr. A ballistic tip at 3300+fps sounds very explosive.
     
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    Well I screwed that up! Had to go to the re-loading room and look....

    Hornady 23010 VMAX, that's what happens when you've got so many different caliber rifles and bullets.... sorry, my bad.
     
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    How about using a 12 Gauge Slug? It's accurate enough to 100 yards or so and doesn't tend to really overtravel since it's trajectory drops quite a bit after that and it'll put something like Whitetail down pretty regularly.
     
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