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12 gauge Midland Arms Backpacker 18½ inch

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Elm Creek Smith, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. Elm Creek Smith

    Elm Creek Smith Member

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    I am considering one of these for a Jeep/backpack survival gun. It comes with a Beretta modified choke tube. I was thinking with the addition of a Beretta rifled choke tube that it would be ideal for taking game from birds to deer and maybe hogs, if necessary. Since it's so light, field loads in 2¾ inch (7½ and 6 shot) would be primary ammo with low recoil 00 buck and slugs for defensive use. I would relegate 2¾ and 3 inch sabot slugs for deer, hogs, and trucks (only if I put a strap-on recoil pad in the backpack!). A local gun shop has a used one for $159.00.

    My wife and I travel a lot for her medical appointments and have come close to getting stranded by high water. I normally carry two 9mm pistols when we're on the road, but don't have a lot of room for a long gun. My other option is getting a DelTon AR pistol for $419.00 and putting an arm brace and a red dot on it. The disadvantage is that it wouldn't fit in my backpack.

    What do you guys think?
    https://www.shootmidland.com/products/midland-backpack-12-gauge-18-5-barrel
     
  2. DocRock

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    I like your plan and your thinking. I would counsel in favor of a 20 ga 1 oz loads and 7/8oz slugs, but you aren't going to do any volume shooting and $159 is hard to pass up. I would suggest reduced recoil everything and one of those cloth belt bandoliers with ammo by group goes in the backpack with it.
     
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  3. Elm Creek Smith

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    I think the 20 gauge is a reasonable option, but..., as you pointed out, the 12 gauge is available now. With field loads, recoil won't be significantly more than a 20 gauge with denser and shorter shot strings. The sabot slugs would strictly be "kill or starve" ammo, especially for hogs.
     
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  4. TTv2

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    For any sort of serious defensive use, I'd choose the 12 over 20, just many more ammo options available. Since it's a break action, you could use the Aguila Minishells that have a mix of #1 and #4 Buck. Cabela's use to have a nifty Herter's 2-1/4" shell that had 6 pellets of 00 Buck, which on paper would be a 33% reduced recoil load, but after Bass Pro bought them they dropped any defensive Herter's ammo and now just make target/field ammo because Bass Pro is anti gun for self defense.

    What tells me that 12 is right for you vs 20 is if you have any intention of taking a larger animal like a hog with slugs. I'm not all to sure what a 20 gauge slug is capable of, but again, 12 ga just offers you a lot in regards to slugs and both Federal and Aguila make the minishells that use slugs and they are very pleasant to shoot.
     
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  5. troy fairweather

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    These little buggers kick I'd get the 20. I Am still waiting for the rifle barrels they were going to come out with.
     
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    I contacted them and they said .22 barrels were "in the works" and larger calibers were being developed "overseas."
     
  7. TTv2

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    They've been saying rifle barrels are coming for 2 years, at this point I don't believe it, it was just a marketing technique to sell the Turkish made shotguns for cheap. I'll still buy one, but I'm not going to until rifle barrels are available.

    My guess is the reason they've been so slow with the barrels is they can't find a supplier to make them for less than the cost of the gun.
     
  8. Leadbutt

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    I would go 20ga and then look into the Alaska barrel liners. 20ga will do fine, I have killed both hogs and deer with mine
     
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  10. SgtScrounge

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    If you only intend to rely on it to kill game, it is fine. If you might have to rely on it for self-defense purposes, a single-shot puts you at a significant disadvantage. A pump or autoloader would be a better choice.
     
  11. jeepnik

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    Survival hunting a single shot is fine. Any thing involving self defense requires something that has repeating capability. As to caliber/gauge anything for .410 up would be fine. A .410 slug will work on anything on two legs and anything on four you'd want to eat. But since "survival" usually means killing small animals or birds you don't need a 12 or even a 20. And consider the difference in the amount of ammo per pound in using the smaller gauges/caliber.
     
  12. BigBore45

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    Fedarms makes one in 12,20 and 410. On gunbroker they go for around 65 bucks new. I have one. Just took a duck with it at 50+ yards. Good survival shotgun.
     
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  13. jamesinalaska

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    Sgt.Scrounge said it right that survival is one thing but defensive situations are another. Lets face it, when traveling alot (as you said you do, too) we often end up in less than desirable motels in the less pretty neighborhoods and an 18.5", double barreled, 12 or 20 gauge will bring you much more peace of mind than a single-shot. And, better still, the double barrel will break down into your backpack just as easily -if not more so- as that single shot.
     
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