Solomonson
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I have never seen these before. They could be extremely useful in bear country. Nice to see that it's legal in all 50 states...
12 Gauge Perimeter Alarm
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Speedo66
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Pot growers seeking to protect their crops have been using home made live round versions utilizing a rat trap for decades.
Fine Figure of a Man
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How do they get product liability insurance for something like this?
Panzerschwein
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Is that an old fireman's hat in your av? I like it.
wally
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A one or two man LLC has no real resources to sue for, they just go bankrupt and out of business. Maybe start up again later with a new LLC. It could be made safer and probably still plenty loud enough by using only a shotgun primer instead of a blank.
Good Ol' Boy
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That's neat. And they'll probably sell a bunch.
However if I were that worried, with today's tech, I'd just buy some laser or IR set up and be done with it. Much easier to "install" and does the same thing.
I don't know what they're giving those things away for but laser and IR tech has become pretty affordable.
However if I were that worried, with today's tech, I'd just buy some laser or IR set up and be done with it. Much easier to "install" and does the same thing.
I don't know what they're giving those things away for but laser and IR tech has become pretty affordable.
wally
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And way more prone to false alarms.
I've been fighting this for years with my alarm system and have had to "un-monitor" several areas I'd like monitored simply because I couldn't get the false alarm rate low enough, such that I've considered these trip-wire things in the past. I've new hope for PIR motion detection combined with video imaging combined with advanced software like OpenCV 3 and Tensorflow, but I've a steep learning curve ahead of me.
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Shanghai McCoy
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Reminds me of the trip wire/M-80 perimeter devices back when I was in the Navy.
Good Ol' Boy
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Touche'. Although I personally think a lot has to do with the way they're set up. Granted, a leaf blowing in the wind will likely not set off a trip wire.
Those other two you mentioned I've never heard of, but I'm reading up on them right now.
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Solomonson
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It clearly notes that one model uses a 12 gauge primer, while the other uses a 12 gauge shell...
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Solomonson
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It's a 16th Century European (probably French given the fleur-de-lis painted on it) Morion military helmet.
JTHunter
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And batteries go dead, esp. in the winter. This comes under the old "K.I.S.S." principle - tripwires and clips are less likely to fail than electronics.
Personally, I like the louder sound of the blanks over the shotty primers. The "hot pepper" one would work against 2- and 4-legged varmints. I liked the "crackle" of the magnesium one but that might be too much of a fire hazard, esp, if you are camping.
Fine Figure of a Man
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Exactly
I could see this being legally defined as a "Booby Trap"
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Solomonson
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There will always be unfounded negative Nellies, but these are legal in all 50 states and I'm sure they come with express directions to use only with blanks. "Liability" can be applied to anything including the rake that someone forgot in their front yard which someone later took a tumble over.
ewlyon
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The devices may be legal, but the effects of a blank shell on someone's leg could be very serious and I would not want to use one of these solely because of the potential for liability from that.
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Solomonson
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So could a lot of things. Of course, the device could be pointed in such a way that would be be impossible to hit anyone. I suspect the potential for injury (and liability) would be far higher from starling someone after they tripped the alarm and fell.
Then again, falling because one is startled or trips on a trip line is not nearly as sexy as taking issue with the actual device that was pointed in such a manner that it couldn't injure anyone.
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Solomonson
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I reject your personal, baseless opinion. It's always sad when someone starts a thread believing it will be of interest to some, only to have negative people like you do your best to cause trouble. Rather than try to derail this thread (an attempt by you to exercise influence over others) why not simply employ some self-control skip over it? Your comments are non-value added.
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ewlyon
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I encourage anyone considering buying one of these to read about Katko v. Briney, where a property owner set up a shotgun as a trap. Obviously much different in that using a real shotgun and shell meant deadly force, however it is not difficult to see how a possible burglar who has an injured leg, or ruptured eardrums, or stress that prevents him from working, could cause a property owner a whole lot of headache and legal bills.
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