13 handgun kits bought at Allentown gun show spark Pa.-N.J. ‘ghost gun’ probe, attorneys general say

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  1. MEHavey

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    ^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^
    might appear to be the issue
     
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  2. Insignificant bill

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    It's because NJ makes it unlawful, when it shouldn't be.
     
  3. dogtown tom

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    No, its not the issue. No current federal law or ATF regulation regulates "handgun kits" or engaging in the business of selling handgun kits. You can buy a thousand and AFT has no jurisdiction because they are not firearms as defined in federal law.

    This seems to be strictly a violation of New Jersey law and possibly Pennsylvania law.
     
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  4. MEHavey

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    Then, pray tell, what is the issue?
    Please spell out the two states laws that have been allegedly violated.
    Use short sentences.

    My tennis match eyeballs are getting tired.
    :confused:
     
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  5. dogtown tom

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    The OP linked to a story, reading it will tell you what charges the accused faces.
     
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  6. MEHavey

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    I asked for your statement of the basis of charges,
    not the media's
     
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  7. General Geoff

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    https://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&vid=Publish:10.1048/Enu


    See bolded section.
     
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  8. dogtown tom

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    I didn't charge the accused.
    If you want answers as to why he was charged, what he was charged with and don't like my answer or the medias.......do your own research or call the. AG in New Jersey.
    It's 2021 and Google is easy.
     
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  9. MEHavey

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    Quod Erat Demonstrandum (NJ)
    The PA trigger.... op. cit.
    (No pun intended :neener:)


    Thank you General Geoff

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  10. Robbins290

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    I agree, i have bought multiple pistols at once, different times. Never contacted. One time was 4 HP22a's for xmas gift, and for a while, i was buying 2 handguns at once, one for me and one for the wife. Never been contacted by the ATF. I also do a nics check 1 or 2 nics check a month, sometimes more.
     
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  11. Riomouse911

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    Apparently NJ and PA have a compact to report these types of sales, as a NJ resident is prohibited by NJ state law from possessing these kits, period. The newspaper report says they were purchased by the NJ resident in PA, and somehow the wheels were set in motion to report it to NJ for investigation.

    Based on the circumstances outlined in the article, I personally think this guy was already on the radar for making and supplying several of these guns to crooks in NJ. One was arrested and named him as their gun supplier to cut a deal. He was tailed by NJ authorities to the gun show in Allentown and was seen buying 13 more kits. He was tailed back and allowed to re enter NJ with the kits in hand, as the possession crimes kicked in when he was a foot past the border. He goes home, a search warrant is penned for the house and bango! The completed 80% lower AR build, the 13 incomplete P-80 kits and two over capacity limit AR mags were located. These types of investigation/observation, then arrest situations happen all the time (especially common with dope cases).

    In my state, CA, it’s currently not illegal to buy or possess the P-80 handgun or AR lower 80 pct kits… yet. But a law like NJ’s goes into effect soon so it will be illegal just to have a kit, even if it’s untouched.

    In a bit of amazing legal stupidity, for the time being you can still buy an ar-15 80 pct lower, petition DOJ for a serial number, when it’s ok’ed you have it engraved with the issued serial and your name and city, then you can legally finish the lower… to build a gun that has been basically banned here in stock form since the 1990’s.

    But you’ll never get a DOJ serial number issued to you for a P-80 Glock Gen 3 handgun frame in order to legally finish it, even though you can go out and buy a brand-spanking new Gen 3 Glock 19 or 17 at any Glock-stocking gun store in the state. o_O

    No one has ever said gun laws had to make sense. Here, and in NJ, they clearly don’t.

    Stay safe.
     
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  12. DoubleMag

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    Yes, Generals Gage, Cornwallis, and other subordinate officers had a unique method, a compact as it were, with King George to report firearms activities of those pesky colonists.

    Never have, never will !
     
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  13. herrwalther

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    I have bought multiples several times and only got visited by the ATF once. I bought three similar pistols, 2 1911s and one Springfield XD. All in 45ACP. About 2 months after, a university official found me on campus (I was a student there at the time) and said there were some ATF agents who wanted to speak with me. I was offered university counsel, which I accepted. They asked me about the pistols. Citing make, model, caliber, date the transfer happened, and the FFL where I filled out the paperwork. They wanted to see the pistols but campus policy didn't allow me to store them on campus, so they were secured off. I only explained they were commemorative military pistols that my unit had ordered engraved. They started packing up when I mentioned that.

    They had a sidebar question if I knew another student, which I did. And asked if I had any gun dealings with him, no I did not. I found out much later the other student (an exchange student from Africa) was offering tutoring in exchange for firearms as payment. From there I don't know what he was doing with the firearms to get ATF attention. If I had to guess, the ATF was investigating if I was involved in the other student. He went to prison for several years. In investigations like this, something like a multiple handgun form is one piece of a puzzle. By itself, it is nothing. But if it happens near where the alphabet agencies see illegal activity going on, that is when it might get looked into.
     
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  14. Gone Hiking

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    The horror. Of course the Stasi solution (excuse) is it's better unzip the 2A from 330M+ US citizens and Founding Fathers than to subject their tyranny to any threat.
     
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  15. kfd518

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    I don’t agree with banning them outright as the state has done.
    Buying 13 would put me right on target if I bought one for each room, each of shop/sheds/barns, and vehicles.
     
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