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14 year old boy kills home invader, Texas grand jury says he was justified

Discussion in 'Legal' started by progunner1957, Oct 14, 2006.

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  1. progunner1957

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    At least once in a while, common sense and justice do prevail. There may yet be hope...
    Link: http://www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_5063627,00.html
     
  2. SiG Lady

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    What did he expect...??!!

    Well, he had it comin', DIDN'T he...?...... :fire:
    I'm truly surprised it didn't happen sooner!
     
  3. River Wraith

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    they should've given the kid a medal...
     
  4. pax

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    Record going back to since before I was born. Sentenced to 45 years. Served 18 years. Violated parole in June, released 90 days later. :banghead:

    Somebody certainly should give the kid a medal. All by his 14-year-old self, he did what the "justice" system in this country refused to do: take a violent, repeat offender off the streets for good.

    What a shame that he had to!

    pax
     
  5. wdlsguy

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    I had no doubt at all that a Texas grand jury would "no bill" the 14 year old given the circumstances.
     
  6. the 22 junkie

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    Duplicate. Although kinda funny his name was "Slaughter" though.
     
  7. spankaveli

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    This is why, no matter how good their behavior is, criminals shouldn't be allowed to get out early. He'd still be in prison for another 22 years.
     
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    Fortunately, they are getting ready to enact the new Castle Doctrine law in Texas that has been so successful in Florida, when that happens they won't have to waste time and money with grand juries to answer obvious questions about criminal intentions.
     
  9. wdlsguy

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    Texas already has a "castle doctrine" law. It doesn't have a "stand your ground" law yet though.

    Every shooting of this sort goes through a grand jury process in Texas, although the outcome was a foregone conclusion in this case.
     
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    I believe that the technical, legal term in this case isn't "no bill" but...."he needed shootin'."
     
  11. Spreadfire Arms

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    evidently the bad guy wasn't reformed by the corrections system. in 1983 he did the same thing. after serving time in prison he was released and did the exact same thing. i hope this sends a message to the Texas Pardons & Parole Board, that they shouldn't be releasing these crooks back out into society.
     
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    Why do we call them "correctional" facilities anyway?. Is it not PC to call them "jails" or "prisons"? Are those terms discriminatory? Do the people in them have disabilities?
     
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    I love a happy ending. :)
     
  14. 1911 guy

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    Good and bad.

    Good that this idiot and carreer criminal is off the streets. Bad that he put a mother and son through this and that the boy will spend the next twenty years of his life second guessing what he did. He knows it had to be done, we know it had to be done and apparently the grand jury also knew it had to be done. That isn't going to stop the 3:00 A.M. thoughts, though.

    Poor kid. Forced into adulthood a few years too early and very harshly.
     
  15. MechAg94

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    The main piece of the castle doctrine stuff I want is the protection against civil prosecution.

    I am glad the kid had the resolve to do what was necessary. I am sorry that scumbag forced him to do it.
     
  16. Double Naught Spy

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    But do Texans need a stand your ground law for defense within the home? In other words, what Texas law stipulates you must retreat that needs to be repealed?
     
  17. wdlsguy

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    http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/CP/content/pdf/cp.004.00.000083.00.pdf
     
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    http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/pdf/pe.002.00.000009.00.pdf
     
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    Thanks for the quotations. As said by others, we already have a lot of what other states lack. My first thought when I saw the TSRA was pushing this was that we need to be very careful how we do it and make sure we don't damage favorable laws or precedent.

    Judging by what they did with the traveling law, I think they will just seek to modify existing statute. I hope so. We may not know for sure until the bill is introduced.
     
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    Yeah, and it still remains to be seen if that change actually helped or not.
     
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    Why is this hero not on the news every evening? No; but people who misuse firearms stay there until the next idiot comes along. Just goes to show how biased and libral the media is. And people cant understand why a revolution will happen someday.
     
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    My duty to retreat comments were in reference to home invasion.
    In this regard, 9.32 is not directly applicable. Why, it because defense of a person isn't the only issue at hand. 9.41 allows for the use of lethal force to prevent or terminate trespass in regard to dispossession and 9.42 follows suit.


    Plus, 9.32 does NOT stipulate that there is a duty to retreat. Florida used to actually have a stipulated duty to retreat. 9.32 (2) most definitely says standing your ground is fine if it is what a reasonable person would do. That is not the same as a duty to retreat.

    Do you know of any Texas case law where it was found that it was considered unreasonable that a person did not retreat within their own home during the commission of a home invasion and/or kidnapping before using lethal force?
     
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    The shameful part in all of this is that the family probably had to spend hundreds or thousands on lawyer fees to make sure this hero's rights were protected in the grand jury process. Instead, the prosecutor should have just made the decision to not press charges in the first place, saving the taxpayers and this family a pile of money.
     
  24. progunner1957

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    In a case like this, the county that has jurisdiction over the prosecutor's "activities" should be forced to reimburse every dollar the family had to spend in defense of this young man. Prosecutors have unlimited resources at their disposal; citizens do not.

    IMHO, it is high time We The People hold prosecutors responsible for their actions, which can financially destroy individuals and families who have done no wrong in the first place.

    The law allows a person to defend their life and their family with deadly force, yet people are prosecuted for doing just that. If that is not wrongful prosecution, I don't know what is.
     
  25. pax

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    That's the law here in Washington state.

    It's not perfect because the case has to actually go to trial, and the defendant has to be found "not guilty" by reason of self-defense in a court of law, before the law will kick in & force the state to pay the money out. There are plenty of justified self-defense shootings which cost a fortune in legal fees before charges are dropped, and never go to trial.

    Still ... half a loaf is better than none! :cool:

    pax
     
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