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14 year old boy shoots mother...ruled justifiable homicide

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  1. jsalcedo

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    WICHITA, Kan. Dec 29, 2005 — A woman who died after a car crash had been shot in the heart minutes earlier with a pellet gun that her 14-year-old son received as a Christmas gift, police said.

    Police said the teen was protecting his grandfather from his mother, Elizabeth White. She was threatening the grandfather with a pair of scissors, according to authorities.

    The death was ruled a justifiable homicide, said Capt. Randy Landen of the Wichita Police Department.


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    White, 40, of Salina, had spent the weekend in Wichita after she was invited to spend Christmas at the house where her 73-year-old father and her 68-year-old mother were raising her children.

    Police said the altercation happened after White returned to the home Tuesday. Armed with scissors, White threatened to kill her father, who had only a cane to defend himself, police said.

    When the argument moved into the front yard, Landen said the teen's grandfather tripped over a planter.

    As his mother moved toward her fallen dad with the scissors, police said, the teenager stepped onto the front porch and aimed, striking his mother in the heart.

    After throwing the scissors at her son, White took off in a car, police said. Authorities think the wound caused her to lose control of her car. She died at a hospital after undergoing emergency surgery after the crash.

    White, who has been in and out of prison during the past 16 years, has convictions for drug offenses, prostitution, writing bad checks and making threats, according to state records.



    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1451531
     
  2. V4Vendetta

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    What kind of world are we living in when a kid has to shoot his own mother to protect his Grandpa?:( :( What was the argument about?
     
  3. pangris

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    What a horribly screwed up story that... Katie Curic will use to further her agenda.
     
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    "Katie Curic will use to further her agenda."

    Katie has a agenda??:confused:
     
  5. Sry0fcr

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    Sounds like she wasn't much of a mother anyhow. The kid did the right thing.
     
  6. hillbilly

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    Damn........damn...........just damn.........

    Can you imagine being 14 years old and having to shoot your own mother to protect your own grandparents????????????????


    Damn..............:what:
     
  7. markdaniel

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    The kid did the right thing for sure but now he has to live with the knowledge he killed his mother. No matter how bad she was i am sure it is horrible for him.my prayers go out to him and his family.
     
  8. Molon Labe

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    The defense rests, your honor.
     
  9. TexasRifleman

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    Besides the obvious comment that prayers go out to this poor kid, let's take a look at how the lowly pellet gun was sufficient for defense of life.

    Kinda makes those " Is a .380 enough " threads seem silly.

    Rule #1 still stands - Have a gun.
     
  10. mosttoyswins

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    So I guess a pellet gun is as good as a .45? :evil: :neener: :D
     
  11. walking arsenal

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    Sure seems like it was.
     
  12. V4Vendetta

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    "Sounds like she wasn't much of a mother anyhow. The kid did the right thing."

    I wasn't disputing that. I'm just saying that a kid having to shoot his own mother is just not right. Makes you realize just how special your own mother can be. Take care little guy. I hope everything works out for him.
     
  13. middy

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    You know, no offense, but I'm always amused by comments like "What kind of world" and "What's the world coming to". When history books are filled with infidels impaled by the thousands, Aztecs with piles of fresh human hearts on top of pyramids, slavery of entire peoples, 100 million killed by their own governments in the last century... it just strikes me as odd that someone should be suprised by something like this. Sure, it's heart-wrenching and wrong, but it's entirely consistent with the nature of mankind.
     
  14. V4Vendetta

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    "When history books are filled with infidels impaled by the thousands, Aztecs with piles of fresh human hearts on top of pyramids, slavery of entire peoples, 100 million killed by their own governments in the last century... it just strikes me as odd that someone should be suprised by something like this. Sure, it's heart-wrenching and wrong, but it's entirely consistent with the nature of mankind."

    Good point. Go to www.crimelibrary.com for some interesting & sick stories. What I meant earlier was that this is a depressing incident. As to the nature of mankind, I think most people are good. Just stupid.
     
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    V4Vendetta

    i respectfully disagree, i think all people are evil and some of us are just smart enough to keep it in check. still fell bad for the kid and his grand parents, hope they come through this alright.
     
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    That's a story off the A.P., and has no speculation or "analysis" in it. Good, objective fact-gathering. I'm mildly impressed.

    No B.S. about the kid's access to the gun. No silly questioning about his background or motives. Just the facts. Glad to see that the cops seem to have a decent approach to it, too.

    In a world that is probably no worse and no better off than it's ever been, that kid is sure starting off with a tough row to hoe. Good luck, kid. It may be hard to see, but probably the main source of pain in your life has removed herself. :(


    --Matt G, who is picking up the phone to call his mother and say "thank you". . .
     
  17. El Tejon

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    Aahhh, the results of the Welfare State.:banghead: Terrifying experience for the child, but her death is the best thing for society. It is positive that she was removed before she could destroy more people.

    I will guarantee this: the child had seen his mother do this repeatedly when she was jonesing for a fix and needed money from her parents.

    I just hope the children gets lots of counseling and has other non-screwed up family to help him through the next 7 years.:(
     
  18. Erich

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    Amen.:(
     
  19. Werewolf

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    Yep! The same one you have, apparently. :p
     
  20. Werewolf

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    Well you know what they say. 1 death is tragic, 10 horrible but 1000 - well that's just a statistic.
     
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    If it was a typical assailant, not just his mother, the pellet gun would not have been enough to stop further attacks. He and anyone else around would still have been in danger. I still think a .45ACP is what is called for in a self defense situation.
     
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    The "mother" was a violent crooked druggie hooker. Is it any surprise something bad happened to her? :rolleyes:

    I hope the kid turns out OK . . .
     
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    "Yep! The same one you have, apparently."

    What does that mean?:confused:
     
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    Agree. But some people need to be shot. This was one of those times.
     
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    I had to help bury my mother in law yesterday, a woman who should qualify for sainthood, (if she was Catholic), and my own mother expressed her deep comdolences. I thank the Good Lord above I had a boring childhood! Two wonderful women, and this poor kid ends up with this evil witch. I hope he gets some professional help, and gets through this OK.
     
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