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165gr. 44 magnum ?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by memphisjim, Jul 17, 2011.

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  1. memphisjim

    memphisjim Member

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    Corbon makes a 165 grain jhp 44 magnum defensive round. It's only loaded to 1300fps. Kind of weak but got me thinking.
    What kind of velocity could you get out of a 165 gr magnum from a 4 inch barrel?
     
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    I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't consider a 165gr, .429 bullet traveling @ 1300 fps a "weak" SD round. It's probably a good choice for alloy framed snubbies. I'd be more concerned with it's accuracy outta my gun than variance from advertised velocity.
     
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    Weak compared to a 240 Gr at 1300 FPS, but yea, not exactly weak for defense.

    Personally though, I like the heavier bullets.

    I am sure the 165 could be pushed to some impressive velocities.
     
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    I'd say it could be pushed to about the same velocity as a 170 grain Jacketed 30-30.
     
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    Who makes an alloy framed 44 magnum snubbie?
     
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    It's only weak in the sense it maybe won't blow your eardrums out and blind you in the dark quite as bad as some other .44 Mag loads.

    It also shouldn't over penetrate as much as normal weight .44 Mag bullets and shoot through three houses down the street after going through two perps stacked prison lover style.

    rc
     
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    329 Night Guard
     
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    1800 fps
     
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    I load with H110 or 296 and chronograph 225's @ over 1800 fps loaded at the lower end of the listed data. I would bet a 165 could get over 2000 fps. That's not meant to inspire anyone to try and push a 165 to such velocities, just my 2 cents worth.
     
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    2000 fps sounds good And I bet crazy fragmentation
    Is that approaching the limit?
     
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    Don't bother with 165 grain loads in a .44 mag. Even 180 gr loads are best used for plinking and special purpose loads. For self defense loads, use Speer's short barrel .44 mag ammo. It uses a 200 gr JHP with a very wide hollow point at a velocity between 1050 and 1150 from a 4" barrel. Or use an equivalent reload with their SB bullet. Plenty of power with less noise, flash, and recoil.

    I have learned that when hand loading any caliber, the heaviest and lightest bullets available almost never give the best performance which is available for that caliber. The heaviest bullet I have used in .44 mag is 325 gr, and the lightest is 200 gr. Most of the time, I stay between 210 gr. and 300 gr. with jacketed bullets. You can accomplish anything a .44 Mag is capable of doing well by staying within that range.

    By following those guidelines, you will usually get better accuracy and a fairly decent ballistic coeff.

    In .30 cal rifles .308 Win and larger, bullets from 100 gr to 220 gr are commonly available along with a few 240 and 250 gr bullets for long range target shooting. I never use bullets lighter than 125 or heavier than 200 gr.
     
  12. memphisjim

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    I see your point but I'm thinking you could make huge amounts of energy an the bullet would likely completely fragment. Some of the buffalo bore rounds have less penetration out of carbines than pistols due to great expansion even though they carry much higher velocities. I'm thinking a really fast 165gr would have huge energy transfer
     
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    either bullet will hurt like hell
     
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