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1851 Navy new and old

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by dtvburns, Jan 23, 2011.

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  1. dtvburns

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    I am considering buying the 1851 colt from Cabbalas http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/prod...R-_-RLP-_-215126-_-productname_link&cmCat=CRR

    I was doing a little research and came across this old auction http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/engraved-colt-1851-navy.htm

    Scroll down and look at the detailed pics, what a fine gun. I think it went for around $30K because I saw it in another auction with the sold price.

    I just thought others might want to see great pics of an authentic Colt navy

    Any one have the Cabbalas gun? Any good?
     
  2. Shoot The Moon

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    I don't have that exact one, but I do have a Uberti '51 Navy - mine is the 'London' version, with the steel backstrap and triggerguard. It's a great gun, well made and has aged really nicely - looks kinda halfway between a shiny 'new' one and an original - I guess the antique furniture folks would call it patina.

    That original is lovely too - thankyou for posting the link. $30k? wow.
     
  3. pohill

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    Pietta & original. Or is it original & Pietta?
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    Pietta is on the bottom.
     
  4. dtvburns

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    Wow the pietta looks older
     
  5. Berkley

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    Excellent way to compare the real Colt Navy grip frame profile and the unmistakable Pietta flared bottom.
     
  6. pohill

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    The Pietta was made in 1988, the Colt was made in 1862. The Colt (all matching numbers) was reblued some time long ago, which detracted from its antique value but preserved it.
     
  7. mykeal

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    Do I detect some Photoshopping of the 'Colt's Patent' stamp on the frame and '36 cal' on the trigger guard of the original Colt?
     
  8. pohill

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    The "36" on the frame is mostly worn away. The top address is still clear.
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  9. dtvburns

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    What gun are you referring too?
     
  10. pohill

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    I think he meant mine but I could be wrong.
     
  11. BHP FAN

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    I LIKE the Pietta 'flare'...I think it's the only possible improvement on the original design, and I notice Pietta does it to all thier replicas, to greater or lesser degree, even my Remmies. I hope they never stop....those that don't like it can grind it off, but it's darn tough to add.
     
  12. pohill

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    For what it's worth, the two guns are not interchangeable (the original is on the left). The original's bore size is larger than .380 but the arbor is smaller. The cylinders are not the same size. I'd like to compare it to a 2nd Generation Colt.
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  13. mykeal

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    Yes, I was referring to Pohill's pictures. I enlarged the pictures looking for traces of the 'Colt's Patent' and caliber stamps on the top gun and thought I detected some traces.
     
  14. pohill

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    The Colts Patent is still there but the 36 is just about gone (no cylinder scene left).
    The serial number puts it in the 1862 time period.
    Like I said, someone at some point reblued it (I don't think it's the original finish, though some of it could be). I wouldn't have done it but it did stop any rusting or pitting, and kept (or brought) the price way down.
    I shoot it once a year.
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  15. PunkDude812

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    Newbie with alot of questions, loading, storage, etc.

    Blah.
     
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  16. BHP FAN

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    Pohill, that is just too cool!
     
  17. pohill

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    Another poster here (and on the other BP forums), Snaggletooth (Ted), made a beautiful wooden case for it, and gave it to me as a gift.
    I gotta show off his handiwork.
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  18. dtvburns

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    Nice case. Thanks for the pics too.

    Well I bought the engraved Pietta. Will be here in a few days, hope it looks ok.

    Glad to see you shoot it. I have a Colt Walker 3rd gen and it has never been shot. I keep going back and forth on weather I should shoot it or not.
     
  19. junkman_01

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    Don't worry. The WEATHER will clear up and help you decide WHETHER or not to shoot it. :banghead:

    English is our language. Master it.
     
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  20. dtvburns

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    well it is cold here. Right whether I should shoot it or not. I should have just edited my post so no one would have understood you ;)
     
  21. pohill

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    Good luck with the Pietta. Great guns.
    I have two 3rd Generation Colts - I shoot one (the white handled one) but I cannot bring myself to shoot the other.
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    I've got an itch for a Navy as well... make mine the Uberti with the square triggerguard though. There's something about those curves that's just all kinds of sexy!
     
  23. madcratebuilder

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    Fancy!
     
  24. ElToro

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    i just got a 1851 navy Pietta for a song. no accessories, just the gun only. anybody got a loading ? my local shop caries triple seven. i dont even have a flask or measure yet. what size caps should i get 10 or 11 ? theres a bass pro about 40 miles from me so i coudl go there if i know what to get.

    thanks in advance
    Tim
     
  25. junkman_01

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    18-20 grains measured by volume and reduced by 15% for using 777 powder (15-17 volumetric grains). For caps, start with #11 and use .375 RB's.
     
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