1. Bikerdoc's passing and how you can help

    As many of you know, bikerdoc- AKA Al Spiniello- is no longer with us. There are always extra expenses when someone passes. If you would like to contribute to support his family, please do so here: Bikerdoc GoFundMe page.

    (Note - this notice can be dismissed by clicking on the X in the upper right corner.)
    Dismiss Notice

185gr 45 ACP Hornady Zmax load data

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Waterboy3313, Oct 9, 2020.

  1. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    751
    Location:
    Redding CA
    I've been searching most of this week for some published load data for 185gr Zmax projectiles in 45 ACP. I'm pretty sure from what I've heard and what I've seen the bullet is Hornadys FTX bullet. I can't seem to find anything on either bullet description. I needed some more defense ammo and I found a stupid good deal on 500 of these bullets.

    I'm starting to think they were such a good deal because they are kind weird and I can't seem to find anything on them. I plan on using titegroup powder to load a work up for these if I can find a place to start.

    I'm also a bit baffled at the fact this bullet has a cannelure. I've never loaded a bullet in 45acp with cannelure.

    I would definitely appreciate anything positive you all have to offer in the way of advice.
     
    Demi-human likes this.
  2. Demi-human

    Demi-human Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2016
    Messages:
    4,750
    Location:
    The Haymarsh, MI (Aka, Paradise.)
    Neat! I have not seen these for sale as a component, only loaded. They look like the FTX but those are for Colt speeds. I’m not sure they would work like a defensive round in the speeds the Auto makes. And some FTX bullets require short case trim lengths. I don’t know if these do.

    Now, as far as loading, threat them like any other jacketed bullet of the same weight for powder charge. Be sure your seating stem only makes contact on the Ogive not the rubbery tip. Ignore the cannelure, you won’t be using it for a crimp in an Auto anyway.

    Cool find! :thumbup:
     
  3. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    751
    Location:
    Redding CA
    They are definitely different. I carry Hornady critical duty in my 45 ACP and 9mm. The only thing I can see that appears different is the little polymer tip is green rather than red and I will not be loading these into nickel plated cases or attempting to load them +P unless I come up with +P brass.

    Also these will be the first time I've loaded anything other than 230gr RN bullets. I loaded a dummy round today just for the fact I wanted to see how it would look with the cannelure and crimp.
     
  4. Kaldor

    Kaldor Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    1,021
    @Waterboy3313
    I would skip TiteGroup for this bullet. TG is great for 230s, but I found that youre leaving alot of velocity on the table with the lighter 45 ACP bullets, well over a 100 FPS.
    Im running 7.8gr of CFE Pistol under a 185 XTP, its accurate, hard hitting, and isnt too hard on the pistol. I did test the 185 XTPs with TG and found that 4.5gr of TG worked the best.
     
    lordpaxman likes this.
  5. Steve C

    Steve C Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    4,861
    Tight Group is a fast powder and while its economical for loading target ammo you need to use a slower powder to get optimal velocity of around 1,000 fps. For 185gr JHP's in the .45 acp I use 7.8 grs of Unique. This produces velocities of 1,050 fps to 1,090 fps from my .45's. I have always had good luck using Unique for loading ammo around 1,000 fps + in cartridges of medium pressure like with110 to 125gr JHP's .38 spl and 185 to 200 gr JHP's in .45 acp. Other powders with similar burn rate to Unique should do the same. Don't get too slow a powder for these low to medium pressure cartridges as you will just burn a lot more powder with little gain in velocity and get lots more dirt, smoke and muzzle flash. I have tried powders like Blue Dot, AA7 and HS6 and had those results in .38's and .45 acp's.

    Powders slower than AA5, Herco, Unique and Universal are best used for optimum velocities in the magnum cartridges like .357, .41 and .44 mag,
     
  6. 748

    748 member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,287
    Location:
    clovis, NM
    I use unique.
    Believe I used 7.5gr, shot several hundred of them and haven't blown up my 1911.
     
  7. lordpaxman

    lordpaxman Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,352
    If TGs all you got, the Hornady 7 manual has XTP and FMJ SWC listed. Their 10 manual added HAP, but doesn’t include the FTX technology. They do have an app where you can then purchase load data for .99$, it may have the FTX.
    They did change load data between 7 and 10 for TG. For the XTP, it went from COL 1.230” and max of 6.6gr, 1050fps TO COL 1.245” and max of 6.1gr, 950fps.
    They do not give test fixture information or pressure, but I’m presuming with TG’s high impulse pressure curve they deferred to slower powders to achieve higher FPS. I have TG in my stable and do use it, but for SD higher power loads I have other preferred powders. Good luck!
     
  8. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    751
    Location:
    Redding CA
    That's all great info and I appreciate it.
    I will have to see what powders I can find locally. I like Titegroup because it works great in all of my pistol loads for my usual intended use. I have been thinking about trying to find a better powder for 357. Again for my use titegroup works great but I think it's time to experiment a little. Since I started reloading I've only ever loaded 230gr RN bullets in my 45acp cases. The only downside to experimenting right now is the shortage.
     
  9. TTv2

    TTv2 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2016
    Messages:
    3,225
    The Zmax bullets are FTX bullets with a green tip instead of a red tip.

    Hornady bullets have a cannalure to reduce setback, but they could also be used for rimmed .45 if desired.

    I have the newest Hornady loading manual and they have data for the 185gr XTP, but not the FTX. I doubt there would be much difference, but Power Pistol and Longshot get the highest velocities. I'll take a picture of the data and post it here this afternoon.
     
    Skgreen and Waterboy3313 like this.
  10. TTv2

    TTv2 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2016
    Messages:
    3,225
    Sorry, didn't get around to this until now, but this is from the Hornady 10th Edition.

    45 data.jpg
     
    Skgreen, Waterboy3313 and CleanDean like this.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice