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1894 Remington double question

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  1. Thunderchicken

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    My son-in-law got one of these at a yard sale—he was taken by the Damascus barrels and thought it would make a nice wall hanger. He got it for $80 because the owner showed him how to take it apart ... and couldn’t get it back together. We both played around with it and we can see how it should work in general—mount the receiver to the barrels, then attach the part that goes under the barrels. But it won’t go quite far enough back to latch in, even when we push the catch at the front. Needless to say, we’re reluctant to force things. SIL said it made a “clicking noise” when taken apart and the owner said “I’ve never heard it do that before...”. Hmmm.

    I’ve looked around and didn’t find anything much online. Probably the belief is that anyone who took it apart will know how to put it together. Any hints appreciated.
     
  2. MacAR

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    Is it the forend you're having trouble with? Sometimes the latch can stick, depending on the type of latch on the gun. A little oil won't hurt it. You might also remove the wood from the forend iron and see if something isn't jammed in the recess where the hook goes. If all else fails, post a couple good photos of the hook and the forend iron.

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  3. troy fairweather

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    Most times there I wear on the barrel pivot and the barrels can move back and forth. This making the forearm catch line up.
     
  4. Armored farmer

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    Did you pull the triggers with it broken down?
     
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  5. Thunderchicken

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    I did not, but the owner may have. I noticed the firing pins are protruding from the faces of the ... um, I think I ran out of terminology. But they’re protruding.
     
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    Bingo, that is more than likely the problem.
     
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  7. Thunderchicken

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    Great! What do we do to fix it? I am hoping there is a thing we can do...
     
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    There should be a pair of medium size pins or trunnions in the receiver that are under spring pressure, when the gun is broken open with the barrels, on the act of opening the barrel pushes the pins back and resets the triggers. If possible, get a brass punch and push the pins in until they click and reset the trigger. You may need to put the pin in a vise or have some way to hold it while you push on the receiver so you have a bit more control over everything. Be careful, easy to slip and do damage, either to you or the gun. That would hopefully solve the dilemma. Good luck.
     
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    Thanks. We will try that. Would maybe be worth grinding a little pocket into the face of a punch so it won’t slip off? We can see the pins you refer to.
     
  10. Armored farmer

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    The end grain on a good hardwood block will likely suffice.
     
  11. Thunderchicken

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    Just to be sure, here is a photo showing what I think are the pins. Also, you can see the Damascus barrels. Really quite beautiful. I’d never see them before. upload_2019-9-14_21-50-12.jpeg

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  12. Thunderchicken

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    Thanks for the suggestion. Block it is. I don’t see how even I can screw this up (famous last words...).
     
  13. MacAR

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    Sounds like the gun wasn't cocked when it was taken down. The firing pins protruding through the standing breech is a good indication of that.

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    In the (rather poor) photo above you can see two rods on each side of the watertable. Those are the cocking levers. Your Remington will have something similar. They have to be pushed down and/or back as kudu said. His idea about a punch in a vise is a great one. I wouldn't grind the punch though. Good luck, and let us know if you get it fixed.

    Mac
     
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    You could always recock by pushing the hammers back through the firing pin holes. A thin long lunch will work.
     
  15. Armored farmer

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    I have a feeling that you may need a crash course in Damascus twist barrels
    You know that they can weaken , and should be carefully inspected and only shoot low pressure loads if any.?
     
  16. troy fairweather

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    It very easy to load black powder shells.
     
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    Thanks for the concern—he plans on making a wall-hanger of it. I assume that even though the gun was designed for smokeless powder, 120-year-old Damascus barrels would require expert assessment before firing anything. I’m pretty sure he’s not interested in that sort of investment and as i’ve told him in the past, I’m not interesting in taking over raising his kids if he blows himself up!
     
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    I doubt it was made or proofed for smokeless.
     
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    if the barrels check out as good, you can fire black powder shells. I have a older hammer 12 ga shotgun with steel barrels and that's all I shoot out of it.
     
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    According to Charles Semmer the barrels, both steel and Damascus were proof tested for smokeless field loads. List the serialNumber here and I’ll tell you the year of manufacture. Had posted questions of my own just last month here on my copy of the gun. Checked my stash of gun book and sure enough I have a copy of the aforementioned author.On the top of the water table will be the serial number and also a capital Letter. The letter is the grade A thru E.
     
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