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19/66 vs 586/686

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by CCantu357, Nov 27, 2012.

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  1. roaddog28

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    S&W also made a 619 and a 620. 619 was a shrouded fixed sight L frame. Basically a 686 with fixed sights without the full under lug. The 620 is the adjustable rear sight shrouded version.
     
  2. Guillermo

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    none of the revolvers were the same guns after the transition to injection-molded parts no matter what they were or are called.

    Virtually no interchangeable parts
     
  3. Old Dog

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    S&W, a few years back, made a "stocking dealers' special" run of 686s (+ versions, 7 shot) with a 5-inch barrel and a nice shrouded half-lug ... came with Ahrends finger-groove cocobolo stocks, fiber-optic front sight. Best 686 I ever had -- locked up tighter'n a bank vault, incredibly accurate. I foolishly sold it after owning it for only about a year, mainly 'cause at the time I felt I didn't need a revolver for range use only -- I like to carry 'em. Silly me.

    I still think the 4-inch 19 or 66 is just a better "feelin' " gun, though. Packable, but a joy at the range, too ...
     
  4. Brian Williams

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    The problem with those is they all had the fiasco 2 piece barrel assembly.
     
  5. Thaddeus Jones

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    I see the often repeated allegation that the L-frames were made to replace the K-frames because of some "weakness" in the K-frames when shooting magnum rounds.

    I've just never seen it in real life. I have a 66-2 with over 25,000 rounds through it. 4000 of those were the dreaded 125 grain 357. Its as tight as a tick. :)

    I did have a 686-3 go out of time and it only shot 38's during its time with me. After the repair I dumped it.

    Funny how the K-frame magnums continued to be made right alongside the L-frames for twenty five years. ;)

    Some "weak" gun, huh.
     
  6. 2zulu1

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    We carried Remington 158gr SJHPs and a number of M19s were shooting loose over a period of time. Like a number of other agencies, the word was to practice with 38s and qualify with 357s, otherwise carry a N-frame. Since the Ks were a more comfortable carry than the Ns on a 10-12 hour shift, we simply practiced with 38s.

    As the Smith & Wesson website states, the K-frames were designed for 38s and the L-frames for continuous 357mag usage.

    My 686P round count is way into the thousands and all with factory/handloaded magnum ammunition. Your 4,000 rounds of magnum ammunition is a drop in the bucket for a department issue revolver that sees service over a number of years.

    FWIW, I sold my M66-1 to purchase a Colt 1911 combat/target, they're only tools.
     
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  7. Ala Dan

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    Personally, I prefer the 19/66 over the 586/686. All are great guns; it just
    comes down to what purpose each will serve. As a former PO [who at one
    time carried revolvers]; "lighter was better", as any extra weight certainly
    will be noticed. For long-range precision target work, I find the 6" 686 to
    fill the bill nicely.
     
  8. roaddog28

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    That is why I prefer the model 19 or model 66. If I really want a revolver to shoot 357 magnums only then the 686 or even a Ruger GP100. I have owned at least two each of them. I just would not carry them. Too much bulk.
    Howard
     
  9. 2zulu1

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    Why not go to a vented Dan Wesson?
     
  10. Dave T

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    Someone earlier said that the majority of responses favor the 19/66. I haven't counted them but even if that is so, most of the K-frame buying public must be on this board as sales were not good enough nation wide for S&W to keep the K-frame magnum in production.

    I always preferred the N-frame for full power magnums and started my LEO career carrying one. I recently proved to myself, with a timer and on paper, that I actually shoot the L-frame better. Not sure why but it is just faster and more accurate both in presentation ("clearing leather" - LOL) and follow-up shots.

    I've always considered the K-frame a 38 Special and the only ones I've owned were so chambered. There are no K-frames currently living in my safe.

    Dave
     
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    Both are good, pick the right tool for your job, carry, service, competition, hunting et, et.
    I think the K frame is the perfect platform for .38 specials. IMHO it reached its pinnacle with the Masterpiece Series. Along comes modern metallurgy and design and the K is bored blueprinted for the .357 Magnum. As the platform was not really designed for magnums there were a few issues with stress in the forcing cone area. The L frame was created around the .357 Magnum. No issues.
     
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    I agree.

    After the forcing cone cracked on my Model 19, I tend to shoot 38 Special level loads in it almost exclusively. (S&W replaced the barrel at their cost back in the eighties, by the way).

    My wife's 586 "keeps on truckin'".

    Both are great hand guns.
     
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    I'm really partial to my snubb 66's, but that's me. You need to do a considerable amount of situational shooting to find the one that suits your taste.

    GS
     
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    Because I do not like the cylinder latch of the Dan Wessons. Love the Swap barrel and wish I had sent a 586 to Weigand before he quit modifying 586s for swappable barrels.
     
  15. LTR shooter

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    I was kind of thinking the same. In the 25 years I have been shooting handguns I see far more 686s at the range than any K-Frame Smith.

    Owning several Model 66s and 686s through the years I much prefer the 686 for shooting of 357 mag ammo. For carry use I liked the 2 1/2" 66.
     
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  16. The Lone Haranguer

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    If it is to be shot extensively with nothing but magnums, you want the bigger gun. It will be more durable and more pleasant to shoot. The lighter gun is fine for its original purpose - ".38 Specials for practice, .357s for 'business,'" as the saying goes - is lighter to carry and tends to balance and point better. The sizes of the grip section of the frames are identical.
     
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