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1911: .45 Automatic vs 9x19mm

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Mr. Mosin, May 24, 2020.

  1. Mr. Mosin

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    So... are current production Winchester rifles still Winchester rifles ? Or are they Miroku stamped Winchester ? No difference then a 1911 that's not a Colt, nor in a 1911 that's not a .45 Automatic.
     
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    I have to agree on that. I carried few 1911A1 pistols while in the Army that were not made by Colt, they were still 1911s.
     
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    hewwwww boyyyyyyy.....
     
  4. briansmithwins

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    And we get to the great schism that has divided 1911 worshippers to this day. I think of them as Orthodox 1911ers vs the Reform 1911ers.

    Let’s leave for later the heretics who claim that the Browning High Power is the product improved 1911, for they will surely burn.

    BSW
     
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  5. Kleanbore

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    The Model 1911 was made only in .45.

    There has been a commercial variant in .38 Super.

    Colt's proposed 1911 placement that became the Commander was chambered in 9X19. The commercial Commander has been produced in 9x19, .38 Super, and .45 ACP.
     
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    I guess they have the right to do so, since the original military model so designated is a thing of the past.
     
  8. Mr. Mosin

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    Could the same also not be said of the Smith & Wesson Military & Police ? The original was a 6 shot .38 Spl build on the K-frame, with a pinned and tapered barrel and half moon front sight. Today's rendition of it ( cataloged as the Mdl 10- sleeved bull barrel, ramp front sight, MIM guts, frame mounted firing pin and an internal lock) is no less a S&W Mdl 10 than one built in 1918 is a pre-Mdl 10. Just because we don't like something doesn't change the nature of it. I can't in good reason look at a purple wall and call it yellow. So the same- the 1911 platform is just that. A platform.
     
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  9. briansmithwins

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    The ‘grandfather’s axe’ theory as applied to firearms...

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  10. Mr. Mosin

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    Come again ? My philosophy is rusty.
     
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  12. Zerodefect

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    1911's should all be .45.

    I'm just not satisfied with the adjustments made to the pistol for 9mm use. It's not like it's rocket science to add a few lines of code to your CNC machine to make the pistol optimal for 9mm. I haven't seen many that were reliable. And many 2011 shooters are reloading very long rounds to help. The 1911 should have evolved more. But I guess all of the hacks from the past, Para for example, kinda ruined that for everyone.

    That being said, I'm very excited about the Dan Wesson DWX's. A 2011 kinda thing designed from the ground up, specifically for 9 and 40, with a modern grip frame finally.
     
  13. Paul7

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    You'll probably shoot the 9mm better.
     
  14. briansmithwins

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    You inherit an axe from your grandfather. The handle breaks so you replace it. The head wears down and breaks, so you replace it. Is it still your grandfather’s axe? When did it stop being his axe?

    BSW
     
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    It stopped being his axe when it became your axe
     
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    That is one answer to that question.

    To circle back to the gun content using that definition: If a pistol isn’t manufactured to the specifications of the US Army pistol as issued then it isn’t really a 1911. No big sights, no lowered ejection port, no hand fitted anything.

    I suspect everyone wouldn’t agree to that definition of a 1911.

    BSW
     
  17. 12Bravo20

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    I know I have said it before but I'll answer the original question again. A 1911 chambered in 9mm made by any of the reputable manufacturers will run just fine. It does seem that 9mm does run better with a ramped barrel vs non-ramped. As always use a good quality magazine. With modern ammunition, both 9mm and 45ACP will get the job done.

    For all that say anything not in 45 is not a 1911. I look at the 1911 just like I do AR's. No matter what they are chambered in, they are still the same firearm.

    Mr. Mosin,

    If you want a 1911 in 9mm, I say go for it.
     
  18. Jim Rau

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    It is REALITY/FACT, that with the BEST MODERN SD ammo there so little difference in the wound cavities produced by the 9, 40, and 45 that they are, for all real intentions, equal in 'stopping the fight'. So the caliber is not an issue. The REAL question one should ask is 'which platform', in these calibers, do I shoot best', as hit probability is the most important consideration is winning/surviving a lethal force attack. Just common sense. ;)
     
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    The thing about 9mm in a 1911 is the issue with a tapered cartridge in a single stack magazine. The tapered cartridge nosedives more than a straight walled cartridge. That's why some of the 9mm magazines are designed a little different, with a 'feed ramp' in the magazine.

    A double stack magazine, if designed properly, can reduce/eliminate the nosedive.
     
  20. Jack Ryan

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    Once a 9mm bullet leaves the barrel it doen't know if it came from a 1911, glock, or a piece of water pipe.
     
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    ...all it remembers is it’s half as good as a .45...

    :p
     
  22. briansmithwins

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    OTOH, you generally get twice as many w/o having to reload.

    .45s being more effective might have been true before modern JHPs were designed.

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  23. Mr. Mosin

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    .45's still make a noticeably larger temporary wound cavity.
     
  24. Texas10mm

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    No, you don't get twice as many in a 1911. You get a couple more.
     
  25. Zerodefect

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    Ha, ha.

    The ''9mm is just as good.'' guys crack me up.
     
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