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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by rick_reno, Jun 19, 2004.

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  1. rick_reno

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    This apparently happened at Gunsite.
     
  2. Chupacabra

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    GACK!

    :what:

    BTW...What is a "Trigger Shoe?"
     
  3. mete

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    In the photo ,the thing on the trigger , which gives you in effect a wider trigger. Unsafe because they have a tendancy to bind on the holster an give you an ND.......We have 12/20 kbooms , now we have 45/40 kbooms !!
     
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    Been a long time since I've seen a 1911 with a squared trigger guard. I don't believe people actually paid for this modification. What an imbecile.
     
  5. JNewell

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    I am surprised the gun was permitted on the line with a trigger shoe.
     
  6. Andrew Wyatt

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    What does the squared trigger guard have to do with anything?
     
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    Unfortunate, but understandable.

    Good Shooting
    Red
     
  8. SouthpawShootr

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    NADA :D
     
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    sad

    The trigger guard is not for me, but I've seen others do sillier things done to pistols. I'll leave that one to personal preference.

    I've heard of trigger shoes coming loose and that could be a safety issue, especially in a course pistol course where you are shooting hundreds of rounds over a comparatively short period of time. I have never used one or seen one in use, but I have heard of problems with them. I'd just assume get either a medium or long trigger and do it right.

    As the story said, the biggest issue was the guy was too cheap to let a spare round on the ground wait until it was safe to pick it up, inspect it, etc. Poor choices/priorities and trying to do things on the cheap seems to be the biggest problem. Big difference between being frugal and being cheap. Cheap usually bites you on the a**.
     
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    The linked page was informative, but I fail to see what the pistol's cosmetics (squared trigger guard) or the trigger shoe (that had no business being on a weapon carried in a holster) had to do with the "ka-boom." These are seperate and unrelated issues.

    The damage done to the pistol (but fortunately not to the owner or bystanders) was caused entirely because he chambered and fired a .40 S&W cartridge and then followed with a .45 round. Any similar obstruction in any .45 pistol would have produced similar results.

    Why blame the gun - its design or manufacturer???
     
  11. Jim Watson

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    We had the same thing happen at our local IDPA shoot this morning, with the single difference that the shooter stopped at the peculiar report instead of chambering a .45 in behind the .40 empty. You just have to be careful what you put in these things.
     
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    Thankyou for your insightful commentary Mrs Brady, or was it Mr. Hitler??:barf:

    If students are having incidents, I wouldn't blame their lack of taste in guns, but would question the effectiveness of the teaching in the programs.

    This jackoff, instead of making a useful learning lesson out of the incident, used the incident to trash gun owners and their perceived frugality. If he is a typical instructor at gunsite, I'm crossing that place off the list of places I might consider going to for training.
     
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    I'm with cracked butt, I found the tone of the article insulting. While what the shooter did was foolish, to spend half the article ridiculing the looks of the gun and talking about who he thinks is unfit to own a gun is simply insulting.
     
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    "I'm with cracked butt, I found the tone of the article insulting. While what the shooter did was foolish, to spend half the article ridiculing the looks of the gun and talking about who he thinks is unfit to own a gun is simply insulting."

    Let me introduce you to Dean Speir, owner of the GunZone...:rolleyes:
     
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    Can't believe 1 round of .40 did that. My father once put 3 rounds of my .40 through his Ruger p90 before he realized what he was doing. It wouldn't feed but it went off everytime he chambered it, and it didn't damage the gun at all.
     
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    It wasn't the .40 cartridge that hurt the gun, it was the spend case that didn't eject and got pushed forward into the barrel by the .45 cartridge behind it. AS someone else mentioned, this is a well known folly with carrying 20 guage shells while shooting a 12 guage shotgun- a shooter reaches into his pocket and grabs a 20 guage shell and chambers it- the gun doesn't go off, the man opens the breach and chambers a 12 guage round which will chamber easily as it will push the 20 guage shell forward into the chamber, resulting in an obstructed bore. Same concept witht he .40/.45 except in this case, the .40 fired before the case made its way deeper into the chamber.


    Never have ammo of a different caliber/chambering anywhere near you or on your person when you are shooting.
     
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    I found the article uninformative. I was already aware of 9/40, 40/45 and 20/12 bore KBs. I found the writer to be condescending. I think the writer has a BB brain in a larger caliber head myself. Poorly written and offensive. A anti in sheeple clothing.
     
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    101% correct, it's pure operator error.
     
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    Didn't your mother ever tell you when something bad happens, it's never your fault?

    That seems to be what kids are being taught these days.
     
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    I also find the author's tone unprofessional. He supposed to be in the business of training people and should be training them to be safe. Looks like he failed, eh?
     
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    Hmm...dogging on Pat Rogers...bad form fellas. :(
     
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    :D :D :D

    "This jackoff,"
    "A anti in sheeple clothing"
    "I also find the author's tone unprofessional."
    "I found the writer to be condescending."
    "I found the tone of the article insulting"

    Oh if you poor souls ever meet Pat Rogers in person.
    Why don't you go over to U.S. Marine forum at TacticalForums.com and tell him exactly what you think of him. :D :D :D
    Or write to him at SWAT magazine.
    He used to drop in here once in awhile but he got tired of arguing with the arm chair commandos that think they know something.

    Let's see..........Was what they guy did short sighted and stupid ?
    Yeah.
    Does Pat have any problem telling you that right up front in so many words ?
    No.
     
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    I didn't see anything wrong with the way the report was written. Then again, I'm somewhat acclimated to crusty firearms instructor who have all the tact of a tank. This had to be one of the more stupid things I've heard about over the years. I really think the course instructor's should completely prohibit picking up live rounds that have fallen to the floor. It's amazing to see the frame bent like that. Anybody happen to look at the photo display on the sidebar? Different gun, though still a 1911. The dust cover was split and bent.
     
  25. cracked butt

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    Never heard of the man before, don't know his accreditations, and this is the first thing I've ever read or heard of from him.

    First impressions count for alot.

    While he might have a following with a certain crowd, there are plenty of others, like me who may not know anything about him or his background. Having seen alot of elitist attitudes on the internet where "only certain people should have guns" makes it real easy for an outsider like me to pigeonhole a person when they publish some rant about how many people are too stupid to own guns because one shooter commits a major safety faux pas. Ranting about the shooter's taste in firearms certainly doesn't make a better case for helping to educate others. We as shooters and gun owners have enough problems with antis without having experts in the field degrading and demeaning those who are trying to become more proficient.



    Once again, first impressions.
     
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