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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Mr. Mosin, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. guyfromohio

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    To receive a NATO Certification Number:

    Must be able to complete the following without failure:

    4000 dry firings
    3000 De-cockings
    Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
    Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
    100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.

    Safety requirements:

    Drop test
    1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

    3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

    After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

    The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

    The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
    This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
    The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
    The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
    The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

    Service life:
    The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
    The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

    Reliability:
    The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
    This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
    During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
    The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.


    Yes....from the CZ website..
     
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  2. Mr. Mosin

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  3. Mr. Mosin

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    You got to it before I could. Cool
     
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  5. Joshua M. Smith

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    I used to carry a wondernine. Then, I got involved with 1911s. I build my carry guns out of Armscor frames and slides, and, if the barrel is decently fitted, I keep that. Otherwise, I replace it.

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    For my next one, I may go with a Springfield base model. Armscor quality between one I bought around 2008 and one I bought two years ago is vastly different, with the newer one being of rougher finish; lot so of rough machining marks on the inside that I had to take extra time to smooth out. A real shame.

    I would rate most any 1911 above the any modern wondernine, though. The BHP, the older Walthers, and older Sigs certainly compete well with 1911s. At that point you only have to decide what cartridge you want.

    I suspect the 9mm is quite capable, but I've come to prefer the .45acp these days.

    Regards,
    Josh
     
  6. Joshua M. Smith

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    Also, 1911s need not be finicky:

     
  7. tarosean

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    Yet its Glock who has been playing catch up to the competition. (Rails, backstraps, single stack, milled slide, etc. etc. etc.)
    I say this as an equal opportunity user too.

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    Why ya gotta make someone hungry already.. ;)
     
  8. dogtown tom

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    A NATO Certification Number means squat unless NATO's member countries actually adopt the firearm.

    Glock and SIG are laughing all the way to the bank while CZ brags about getting a number.
     
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  9. dogtown tom

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    Do yourself a favor and quit digging your hole deeper.
    The officers don't have to be charged with a criminal offense to be held liable in a civil action.
    I believe all but one of those wounded are currently engaged in civil suits against the officers, NYPD and City of New York.
     
  10. Garandimal

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    I'm sure I would have been charged.

    And would expect that the Civil Liability threshold to be met for the officers would be either "deliberate harm" or "negligence."

    Don't think that if I sprayed a living room full of my family and neighbors to stop a threat... that those thresholds would apply to me.

    Just sayin'...




    GR
     
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  11. Garandimal

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    There is somethin' about the 1911 though...

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    GR
     
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  12. Demi-human

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    Agreed...
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  13. SSN Vet

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    get a BHP with 15 rnd mags :neener:
     
  14. bullseye308

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    This could work for you. 10rounds, 9mm, and a 1911. :) way too much fun shooting this, and extremely accurate.
     

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  15. wingman

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    The 1911 is like a Picasso of the gun world, if I could only have one pistol it would be a 1911 45acp. I've own many pistols but still have the same good feeling when I pick up a 1911.
     
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  16. Garandimal

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    Funny...

    Spent my young adult life runnin' away from the ole service 1911.

    Was looking for a pistol that had the same performance, but was half the weight and cost, and twice the capacity and reliability.

    ...and found it.

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    My One/EA pistol turned out to be the GLOCK G23.4. .40/180 gr.


    Then, I stumbled on a < $500 NIB Springfield MilSpec 1911-A1.

    ...with the beautiful CNC fit and finish, modified port, SS match-grade parts, high-profile sights, and icicle trigger.
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    ...and will spend the rest of my adult life wonderin' why I didn't get one sooner.




    GR
     
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  17. Walkalong

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    An oldie (ish), but a goodie. It will feed empty brass out of the three old Chip McCormick "Shooting Star" mags I bought for it.

    I replaced the mainspring housing with a flat one, lowered, squared, and relieved the ejection port, "checkered" (Flat topped squares) the front strap, installed a long aluminum trigger, and relieved the sides of the hammer.

    I could shoot it very well when I could see the sights clearly, and still shoot it fairly well with 1X readers.
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  18. AK103K

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    The best Springfield 1911's I owned, were two, early to mid 80's guns, that were still being built to GI spec. They were selling kit guns back then, and both of mine came in pieces in a plastic bag, and you had to put them together. Cost me $250 a pop. I sold them both to buy something else, and wouldn't mind having either of them back.

    You can have all the others I bought in the 90's and early 2000's. :thumbup:
     
  19. Garandimal

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    Remember, back in the day, when you could get one of these Colts, NIB, mail-order from the Guberment, for about that.

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    GR
     
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  20. LiveLife

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    Yup, I remember working on them and remember sore fingers and hands like yesterday ... :fire:

    I mean they were "rough" new right out of the box and I can't remember one that would reliably cycle and fed from a magazine until we spent time loosening them up.

    But I still love 1911s, especially buttery smooth ones with nice clean triggers :p:p:p
     
  21. TheProf

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    I recently bought a p01. It is my favorite pistol and was slated to replace my G19.

    But as of today, I'm back to carrying the G19.

    Here's my trial results: (over a couple of years)
    G19 4000 rounds no failures of any kind
    623 1100 rounds (5 failures...when I was still learning how to hold a proper grip. The last 5000 rounds...no failures)

    Cz75 compact 1000 rounds...no failures.
    CzpO1 500 rounds (3 failures. Was it due to ammo? Not sure. But 3 out of 500 tells me I need to do more testing.)
     
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