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1911 sear breaking

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Echo9, Mar 2, 2010.

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  1. Echo9

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    Has anyone ever heard of a (pre-series 80) 1911 discharging because the sear or another component broke while the chamber was loaded? I've looked but so far haven't found any documentation.
     
  2. Avizpls

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    am i gonna shoot my balls off? I have a smartcarry & a kimber....
     
  3. Echo9

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    I sincerely hope that you do not shoot your balls off, but that doesn't really answer my question.
     
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  5. Echo9

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    Actually I already know that the hammer will fall if the sear breaks (or "disappears"); I'm just wondering if anyone's actually heard of a gun firing that way or actually seen it happen.
     
  6. rcmodel

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    No.
    But then again, I've only been carrying, shooting, and working on them for 45+ years.

    The vast majority of sear problems I have seen were the result of someones overzealous use of a file or stone trying to do a trigger job they had no idea how to do properly.

    rc
     
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    I would seriously rethink that with all the crappy MIM sears they are using in today's crappy clones. Just my thoughts
     
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    SO, how many broken MIM sear related NG's / AD's do you personally know of?

    rc
     
  10. Slamfire

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    Is this good enough?

    http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6249212&postcount=103

     
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    No, not good enough.
    The OP ask about broken sears causing AD's.

    Not crappy trigger jobs causing ND's.

    Like I said in post #6, all of them I have personally seen in about 45 years have been caused by crappy trigger jobs, not broken sears.
    Just like those two examples.



    rc
     
  12. lilidiot

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    Hey guys the resurgence of the 1911 though clones are some pretty guns, but lets get realistic the design is 100 years old and antiquated. Even our military has abandoned them. There are far better pistols out there and .45 bullets are not the only ones that kill people. When have you ever seen a military functional repeating .45 caliber rifle. The M1 and M14 were .30 caliber or 7mm and the current military rifle is .22 caliber or 5mm.
     
  13. lilidiot

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    Just because you did not see it doesn't mean it did not happen. I didn't see the Lunar Mission Take Off but I know we landed on the moon a few times.

    Just saying!
     
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    Pure sillyness. It is still one of the most copied and sought after designs, simply because it is so good, regardless of how "old" the design is.
     
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    Did you also know that JMB invented the .380. 9mm Kurz years before the 1911 ever came a long also. What about the .25 auto as well and long before the 1911 patent of the .45.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning
     
  17. 1911Tuner

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    Actually, that's not true. Read up on the MEU/SOC program. There are a good many still in service, with more in the offing.

    There are two important reasons why the military went over to the Beretta M9/92 pistol in large numbers.

    One was simple logistics...with probably a little politics thrown in...to have ammunition commonality with our NATO allies. Everybody except us had a 9mm service pistol.

    Two...and probably the most important...was economics. The largest percentage of 1911s and 1911A1 pistols in our armories were flat worn out, and replacement parts were getting short.
    Colt...their last remaining contractor from WW2...hadn't maintained the production capability to meet demand for another military contract, and had sold off much of their machinery and tooling anyway...so the cost to retool and ramp up their production capabilities would have made the guns so costly to produce, that it wouldn't have been possible and stay within budget.

    The Berettas were there in large numbers, and the production capability was in place to produce more at a cost that the allocations could absorb.
     
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    Guess that is why some government, entities military and law enforcement use (or should a say rely?) 1911's from Kimber and other manufacturers.

    Not saying the 1911 is the be all, end all of gun designs...I'm just saying it isn't antiquated or abandoned. I love my 1911 and carry it daily concealed. I also love my new Gen4 Glock. Is either better overall? Nope, both perform certain tasks very well. Since my 1911 is dead reliable in my experience and I shoot accurately with it, I carry it for self defense. I'm not fighting evil zombie hordes, so 8-9 rounds on a platform I am comfortable and accurate with will do me just fine.
     
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    I thought that was what the half-cock notch was for??? To catch the hammer if something broke.

    Bill
     
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    To address the OP's question..To wit:

    I've never heard of it.

    A few years back, I arranged a little demonstration for a guy who was a little skeptical over Condition One carry.

    I removed a full 1/8th inch from the sear crown with a Dremel cutoff wheel, and installed it in a gun. Not only did it hold full cock, but functioned normally for over 30 rounds before the hammer started to follow. During fire, it never doubled or burst-fired. When it finally started to follow during a reload...after a couple dozen attempts...the half cock caught it every time.

    Then I removed the hammer hooks from the hammer...thumbed the hammer back past the full-cock position and let fly. The half-cock never failed to stop it in 10 tries.
     
  21. lilidiot

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    It can't catch a broken sear that fell of the hammer hooks. Now think about that. There would be nothing to catch if the sear edges broke. Now I have seen a lot of broken sears in the service when the south paws had to carry them at half cock. Maybe Browning thought everyone was right handed like Walther also did...:uhoh:
     
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    The .mil is actually picking up new 1911's for certain groups of Marines. Not going to say i agree, I'd rather have a Glock 21.
     
  23. lilidiot

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    The G19 would be a better choice in my opinion. NATO ammo capability.
     
  24. 1911Tuner

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    And yet...it did catch. Not once, but several times. What are we to make of that?

    And Browning considered the half-cock to be a safety position. It's specifically mentioned in the patents, if you'd like to go see.
     
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    No branch of the military that I'm aware of authorized anyone to maintain a 1911 or any other weapon with a chambered round unless action was immediately in the offing...and none authorized half cock at all...even though it was and is a de facto safety position as defined by Browning's patents.
     
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