2/3 of Palestinians want al-Qaida to hit West

[carebear]

Abu Nidal for one. HAMAS for another (as a group).

Don't make the mistake of thinking that if they haven't directly attacked the US or US citizens they don't count as terrorists.

 

[peaceful99]

When was the last time you heard of a "Born Again Christian" strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a bus of innocent people?

You've got me there, but some of the nuttier ones do have major issues with certain doctors and clinics. It's wonderful when people do gods work....like he needs the help.

 

[GunnySkox]

When was the last time you heard of a "Born Again Christian" strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a bus of innocent people?

How about the times when hordes of self-professed "Christians" killed every man, woman, and child in cities just because they were Moors living in the holy land?

And the portions of the bible where good ol Genocide gets the Divine Thumbs Up because a bunch of not-Jews lived in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing?

How many atrocities have been committed by scumbags who use God as their excuse? How many atrocities have be committed by scumbags who claim that God doesn't exist?

It's all irrelevant. Whether someone gets their impetus from a screaming freak in a religious gathering of your choice or from the voices in their head or from some "downtrodden" demagogue shouting hatred and violence from 'top a soapbox doesn't matter.

Civilized Christians don't bomb busses or shoot innocents. Neither do civilized Muslims or Jews or Buddhists or Atheists or Agnostics or any other group of civil, civilized people. What we need to focus on are those conditions which make less civil (read: comfortable) people subject to the whims of their barbaric leaders, and focus on eliminating those conditions as much as we focus on eliminating the transgressors.

~GnSx
Islamic fundamentalist terrorism doesn't reasonably impugn Islam any more than the Crusades impugn Christianity, or the genocide against the caanaanites impugns Judaism. Civilized people are civil, and barbarians are barbaric. What they think about God is another matter entirely

 

[LAK]

I see; so now Al Kidya is "influenced by the polls". Sounds almost like a sort of "democracy"; "sensitive to public opinion". "Unable to do the right or necessary thing" or "compelled by public sentiment" to do a particular thing because of "what their constituents might think".

This is more priming for general public consumption.
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http://ussliberty.org
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[carebear]

gunny,

You have to be careful using the Crusades as a moral relatavist example due to how long ago they occured and the the context they occured in.

A series of attempts to free traditionally Christian lands from the hands of a colonizing imperial alien culture over 600 years and an enlightenment and a reformation ago shouldn't be considered apples and apples to events that occurred yesterday.

We're talking about today, not the Middle Ages, and everyone has had plenty of time to get "civilized". Some cultures, as a group and as evidenced by the actions of a significantly larger proportion of their membership, appear to have done a poorer job of it, for whatever reason.