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2003 came in with a bang....got shot at!!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Carbon_15, Jan 1, 2003.

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  1. Carbon_15

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    Well, 2002 was one hell of a bumpy ride and if the start of 2003 is any indication, it may be as well.
    Long story short:
    A close friend invited me to a huge outdoors New Years party. I rarely do the party thing, but hey...its a special occasion and I'm newly single, so what the heck. I was planing on invibing some adult beverages (again...almost never) so I left my CCW at home. Everyone is having a great time. I got to spend some time with some friends that had been neglected while I was married, made some new ones, the ball droped, it was all gravy. Shortly after 12, some folks show up that noone knows. Everyone just assumes they are with someone else and goes on having fun. About 20 min. later Drunken Outsider A starts getting frisky with Drunken Insider B's girlfriend. Next thing you know there is a big brawl going. See ya...funs over, lets not do it again sometime. As I'm heading for the car, I see my idiot friend is in the thick of it....Dang I hate being the level headed one. Time to pull his backside out of the fire again. Then all of a sudden "bang bang bang etc". People scatter like roaches. Bullets are kicking up dirt and snaping branches all around me. 3 gang banger types are blasting away indiscriminatly with "9's" held hollyweird style. My hand has already automaticly went for my 239 but nothing is there....gotta find cover. The trio of thugs peeled out leaving behind 47 empty 9mm casings and a bunch of scared sheep. Thank God noone was hit...it was nothing short of a miracle (Pulp Fiction comes to mind). Once the smoke clears and the police get everones statement, I round up my friends and once again head for the car....my brand new Saturn SC2....only to find it sporting 2 new bullet holes and a shattered driver side window. Ding resistant door panels didnt help. Beleave it or not..noone elses preperty got damaged. Noone was hurt, and I was the only one with a shot up car, so it turned out darn good considering what could have happened....But curse the luck. 70 some odd cars, a large house, 47 rounds sprayed, and my car is the only thing hit. Now I remember why I don't go to parties very often.
    If nothing else, I learned a little bit about myself by "seeing the elephant". I always thought I woud be terrified in a situation like that, but I was earily calm...untill the dust settled. Then the fear and shock of what could have happened set in.

    thanks so much for the new board Oleg and everyone who helped. Happy New Year everyone.
    Now if you will excuse me, I'll be picking glass shards out of my arse.
     
  2. critter

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    Glad you are ok!

    Just some curious questions if you don't mind. Having had time to think about the situation, what would you have done if you had your CCW with you? Were you close enough and were you 'cool' enough and was the crowd thin enough so that you could have returned fire without undue danger to innocents? Would that have been called for and proper? Would it have been legally defensable? Would you have done so?

    Consider these rhetorical if you wish. Just some things ALL of us who carry MUST consider!

    Again, glad it was only glass and sheet metal that took a hit! With that many rounds flying around and a large group of people, it could have been a real bad scene!
     
  3. tomkatz

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    What a wild new years story, this reminds me why I stay home with my wife and hopefully stay safe. Early dinner out and home by 7:30. Glad nobody got hurt, sorry about your new car. Did these bangers get caught for this?....tom
     
  4. Carbon_15

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    critter, in theory it would have been a textbook legal and safe shoot. After the first 'bang' the crowd thined out VERY rapidly. To give you an idea of the orientation: I was walking towards the brawl to nab my buddy when the first shot was fired. I was probly 20 yards away and the area was fairly well lit thanks to a huge bonfire. When the shots went off, everyone ran towards the parking area leaving nothing but air, lead and opportunity between me and the BG's....and nothing but woods behind them. If I had had my weapon I most likely would have returned fire. I'm quite confident in my ability to put rounds on target at the distances that presented themself (I prefer to practice at ranges from 3-30 yards with my CCW....I know most self defence shooting happen at 7....MOST. Prepair for the worst and all). I was sober enough (probly had 4 beers in as many hours) and confident enough in my weapon and ability to have returned fire. Judging by the way I was instictivly reverting back to training, if I had had my Sig, the most likely outcome would have been a quick pair to COM to each of the 3 gunslingers....depending on how fast the other 2 could turn tail when the first one falls. Probly not fast enough since they were just acting like targets....not using cover, not moving, just standing there side-by-side blasting away.
    Would I have fired...no doubt. Would the shooting have been legal, defensable, and safe for the goodguys...I'm as sure of it as one can be in hindsight.

    Amen tomkatz. I thouraly enjoyed being the boring ol' married guy...while it lasted. As of today the nut jobs thugs haven't been arrested, but it shouldn't be long. I was able to give the police a tag number and a detailed description of the shooters and their car. saddly enough the only thing the 'condition white' sheeple could agree on was their race.

    Thought you guys might find this interesting. The one on the right was dug out of my passenger side seat (probly the one that went through the window) and the one on the left was found stuck in the firewall (went through the hood, took out some wires and whatzits and stuck base first in the firewall). We cant find the 3rd. They were shooting S&B 115's.
     

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  5. Shawn Dodson

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    It's always the good guys who end up getting hurt at parties, eh? In your case, thankfully the only thing hurt was your car. The knuckleheads who always cause the trouble never seem to get hurt.
     
  6. laynlow

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    I'm glad you and everyone is OK. That situation sounds like a bad dream where you are naked and can't find any clothes. You reach for you gun, and it isn't there. :uhoh:
     
  7. 4v50 Gary

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    Best to have someone at the door to screen the guests. Not on the guest list, you stay out. End of problem. I hate parties and I hate drunks. Those guys went to the party looking for a fight. :mad:

    Glad you're safe Carbon_15.
     
  8. Carbon_15

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    Two things we wholeheartedly agree on Gary.

    *well...3, Im glad Im safe too:D *
     
  9. Mike Irwin

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    And people wonder why I stay home on New Year's when I live in the Washington, DC, metro area...
     
  10. gryphon

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    4v50 Gary,

    I agree that works 95% of the time, but had a friend from high school, went to a party(This happened many moons ago). Only people they were letting in were people that they knew. One guy brings a couple of "friends" with him, only no one else knows them. THey are asked to leave. They do, but come back later and do a drive by on the house while the party is going on. No one was hurt, but it's a shame that thugs seem to think that if they are not having fun, then someone else should be in abject misery.
     
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    Any sensible party in an urban area ought to have designated carriers as well as designated drivers. It's simple, go to party, wear gun, don't drink.
     
  12. Redlg155

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    Good to hear that you are ok. Condolences about the car. (edited for language)

    To make light of things..you know folks pay for those bullet hole stickers. You got the real McCoy!:D

    I hope they catch the idiots. Too bad no one was filming the New Years Eve party.

    Good Shooting
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    Glad your ok, glad eveyone ok. Sorry about car. Like others I stay home, don't drink. Heck I didn't go out when I did drink--to many amateurs.

    At least you provided info. to officers.
     
  14. Cal4D4

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    Happy New Year Carbon!
     
  15. M1911

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    I do my drinking at home. I never go out on New Years Eve, even if I wasn't going to drink -- too many amateurs.
     
  16. Carbon_15

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    LMAO @ Redlg155

    BTW...its wasn't an Urban area....Very rural infact
     
  17. Carbon_15

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    Happy New Year 4D4...and everyone
     
  18. Blackhawk

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    Glad you're okay, Carbon. :what:

    Please keep us informed about whatever else about the incident you can.

    How'd you get the slugs to take a picture of them?
     
  19. thumbtack

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    Jesus :eek:

    Glad to hear that noone was hurt. I hope that someone puts that :cuss: trio in the ground before that can hurt anyone.
     
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    Glad your ok, glad eveyone ok

    Sorry about the car and i hope the rest of the year is better for you.
     
  21. thaddeus

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    That is a good experience to live through. Now you know what it is like and how you would react next time. If I were you, I would be very happy at how you reacted. You reverted to training, kept your head and were clear-headed enough to be a witness.

    You never really know how someone is going to act until the SHTF. I have seen some people freak out, babbling non-sensibly, and seen others remain very collected. The latter are the ones you want on your team, and the former are the ones soldiers fear having on their team when the time comes to act.

    So, after your experience, what do you think of the argument that "you will never be able to see (or use) your front sight in a real shooting situation" among other claims that your training will go out the window? I already got my answer when the time came for me.

    I had a similar experience to yours on a New Year's Eve party. It was so violent and sudden, and had such an impact on my life, it changed my behavior forever. Since that night I have realized that violence happens quickly and for no reason, with no rhyme or reason. Anyway, my point was that New Year's Eve seems to really bring the crazies out.
    The guys that attacked me went to jail, mainly because I had the presence of mind to write their license plate number on my hand during the attack. I hope the same for your aggressors.
     
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    Pretty scary stuff. I am sorry about your car but more importantly I am glad you are here to share this story with us. Sometimes things don't turn out so well. I hope they catch those creeps!
     
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    Glad you’re ok. Pulp fiction like indeed!

    Its nice to know how you will react in a situation like that. If something like that ever happens again, you’re now that much ahead of the game.
     
  24. MMcCall

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    I ALWAYS volunteer to drive these days, and I consider the CCW part of the "sober" responsibility, although I don't advertise it to my friends.
     
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    :eek: glad you're safe and with us again.
     
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