2008 Democratic Party Platform (Chicago Tribune)

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  1. Neo-Luddite

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    Not trying to skirt the rules on political discussion on THR--but thought this was an inportant FYI on the near-apporved Democratic Party Platform--I bolded the part relating to RKBA issues but copied the entire piece so as not to remove if from the larger context. My appologies if this is deemed over the line for THR- Mike




    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-democratic-platform,0,1077850.story?page=1



    Clinton-favored plan for guaranteed health care gets a top plank in Democratic Party platform
    By CALVIN WOODWARD
    3:06 PM CDT, August 9, 2008

    Democrats shaped a set of principles Saturday that commits the party to guaranteed health care for all, heading off a potentially divisive debate and edging the party closer to the position of Barack Obama's defeated rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    The party's platform committee moved smoothly through a range of issues for the fall campaign and approved a document that will go to the Democratic convention in Denver later this month for adoption.

    There was little dissent — or room for it — in the day's meeting and a compromise on health policy took one flash-point off the table.

    Obama, soon to be the Democratic nominee, has stopped short of proposing to mandate health coverage for all. He aims to achieve something close to universal coverage by making insurance more affordable and helping struggling families pay for it.



    Advisers to Obama and Clinton both told the party's platform meeting they were happy with the compromise, adopted without opposition or without explanation as to how health care would be guaranteed.

    In return for the guarantee, activists dropped a tougher platform amendment seeking a government-run, single-payer system and another amendment explicitly holding out Clinton's plan as the one to follow.

    The party now declares itself "united behind a commitment that every American man, woman and child be guaranteed to have affordable, comprehensive health care."

    Under any system in play, most people would still put out money for health insurance as they do now, but they would get help when needed.

    That was a common feature of the plans put forward by Obama and Clinton in the primaries. But she would have required everyone to get insurance while his plan makes it mandatory only for children.

    Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean praised "the spirit of this compromise." Judith McHale, a Clinton supporter who helped to lead the platform meeting, said Obama and Clinton advisers worked collegially throughout the process.

    For the 186-member platform committee, one imperative Saturday was to satisfy Clinton loyalists still sore from the often acrimonious primary fight while keeping policy firmly in synch with Obama's campaign.

    Democrats made mostly cosmetic changes to a platform draft prepared for the meeting, a process designed to showcase unity more than to air differences in the party at large on hot-button issues such as the Iraq war, abortion and health care.

    Party platforms are a statement of principles that are not binding on the candidates or the next president and they are typically given little attention after they are adopted.

    Even so, the party's decision to embrace guaranteed health care is bound to become a leading yardstick by which Obama's presidency will be measured if he wins in November.

    On Iraq, the platform states that Democrats "expect to complete redeployment within 16 months," reflecting Obama's time frame but not the tone of certainty he brought to it when he was running in the primaries.

    The 51-page platform draft showed the influence of Clinton's supporters not only in the extensive section on health care but in its assertions about the treatment of women. Some of her backers believed sexism dogged her campaign for the nomination.

    An extensive section on women's rights is included and the votes she received in the primaries are described as "18 million cracks in the highest glass ceiling."

    Even so, the platform is thoroughly tuned to Obama's proposals.

    It reasserts his promise of energy rebates to struggling families, pension subsidies, a crackdown on predatory lenders, higher taxes for families earning over $250,000, tax breaks for others, billions for economic stimulus and "direct high-level diplomacy, without preconditions," in the case of Iran.

    On trade, it promises a multilateral approach to improving the North American Free Trade Agreement, without saying specifically what those changes should be. Obama criticized NAFTA when campaigning in states that felt disadvantaged by it, but the platform offers no suggestion he would take unilateral action against the deal.

    Instead, it says: "We will work with Canada and Mexico to amend the North American Free Trade Agreement so that it works better for all three North American countries."

    Democrats typically have a strong plank in favor of abortion rights; this year's version is stronger than usual. "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right," it says.

    Gone is the phrase from the past that abortions should be safe, legal and "rare."

    The party also pledges to ensure access to adoption programs, prenatal and postnatal care and income support programs for expectant mothers who need the help.



    The party also:

    —Promises "tough, practical, and humane immigration reform in the first year of the next administration."

    —Favors restoration of the ban on assault-type weapons and other "reasonable regulation" that recognizes the constitutional right to own and use firearms.

    —Favors helping religious groups provide social services as long as "public funds are not used to proselytize or discriminate."

    —Promises to close the Guantanamo detention center.

    —Promises to double the Peace Corps.
     
  2. jlbraun

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    Well, Obama just lost the midwest and FL - just like every other Democrat since 1998 that's endorsed this failed policy.
     
  3. ServiceSoon

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    I hope you are right.
     
  4. LAR-15

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    I am going to hold my breath until all those pro gun Dems denounce that part of the platform...........
     
  5. Gunnerpalace

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    That's stupid.
     
  6. Sniper56

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    Re: 2008 Democratic Party Platform

    The liberals within the Democratic Party just do not get it and never will.
     
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    Exactly. Now's the time when all those 'pro-gun Democrats' who were voted in during the last election get to learn how The Big Party really works.

    "You want the benefit of our money for your reelection in two years? Then you *will* toe the line on the party plank..."

    And when nObama takes office next January, there will be an AWBII on the floor within six months. And all those folk that crowed how a new breed of pro-RKBA Democrat wuz gonna sweep away the RINO stench of GWB will get to silently watch their hopes and aspirations dashed upon the hard, cold rocks of reality.

    <sigh>
     
  8. ArmedBear

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    I'll vote for them when they promise to send the Peace Corps to Guantanamo Bay, guarantee assault rifles (real ones, select fire) to every man woman and child in America, ban government "health care", and stop giving any tax money to any religious groups, at all, ever, including special tax treatment.

    And not before.
     
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    Permanent AWB that includes national ban on ccw is probable. NFA tax increase to $10,000 wouldn't surprise me.
     
  10. TCB in TN

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    I can't see that flying from the "common use" comments from Heller!
     
  11. Prince Yamato

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    Well, then those of you in districts with pro-2A Dems need to write them and ask them for their assurances that they will protect your RKBA.

    Honestly though, I don't see how they could pass the old AWB. It doesn't make sense any more. It features outdated weapons and the features ban... I mean, most new weapons have those features anyway; so in effect it would be a complete ban on modern firearms. Magazine capacity bans? Those were asinine and will be proven so. We also have Heller on our side now, so handguns cannot be banned. All we have to defend now is rifles... that seems much less difficult.
     
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    Alls it takes is the election to go the wrong way, and JUST one of the five judges who voted for heller to have a stroke, Heart attack, or fall and heller won't mean #$#$...
     
  13. caseypj

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    Erghhhh, more bull from the left, good thing I bought an AR-15 and a WASR clone in recent months, I just hope hi-cap pistol magazines are not affected. As long as they don't ban the importation of ammunition I should be ok until they get voted out as the country swings to the right.
     
  14. Neo-Luddite

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    The amazing thing to me is just how LITTLE press this is getting.

    Not to stray off, but if you read the REST of the thing (apart from the RKBA part relevant to us here on THR) some items are so far off the reservation that it makes one read the AWB and 'reasonable regulation' as just so much more fluff and desperate grabs. And as sour grapes from the anti-crowd minority that is licking its wounds after Heller and testing the winds to see if anyone should hoist a gun control sail to pull the raft along.

    But I for one don't ever want to get too optomistic. When I tell folks that I am a single issue voter and vote RKBA--and THEY in turn tell me that "Nobody wants to take your guns away"--I am all-the-more emphatic. Run, don't walk---and let them KNOW in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that RKBA is your personal passion.

    RKBA just SHOULDN'T be political anymore.
     
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    RKBA is so off Dem's radar. Its just not an issue either way right now. Its all about the economy, health care, and the Iraq war. Nobody cares.
    We forget that, even thought THR is one of our favorite sites, we are really a niche or even fringe group.
    Nobody cares right now. Be thankful for that. Even if they did, a new SCOTUS opinion says we are in the right, so they care even less than usual. We won't have to worry re: RKBA until the Iraq war is over and everybody has gov't healthcare...
    -David
     
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    Part of the problem right there. Mentally imbalanced person in charge.
     
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    David, I wish that were the case. The fact is that they don't have a clue how to fix the economy or how to get us out of Iraq. There is far to much discourse within the party to implement universal healthcare. But, the one thing they can agree on is "reasonable restrictions" of those evil guns. Hopefully there will be an iron clad "Grandfather" clause built in.
     
  18. Solo Flyer

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    Really?Why?
     
  19. Big45

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    Will say this to the "no big deal" folks...

    If a party has the presendcy and congress, there platform is likely to be seriously looked at.

    How will a non-sunseted AWB help RKBA?
     
  21. jlbraun

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    Then why is it in the $*&^% platform?

    I've voted Dem in the past, but I hope the NRA hammers Obama and all Dems on this. This needs to stop.
     
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    Well this one's going down in flames
     
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    This is one of the major reasons I will be voting Ron Paul or Bob Barr. We need real politicians and not those who only desire to be elected.
     
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  25. whosyrdaddy

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    Because another Columbine/Virginia Tech/ect...ect..... is inevitable, and when it happens, the wrong people are going to be in the right place at the right time to do the wrong thing. Most "pro gun" candidates are not pro EBR, pro high cap mag, pro select fire, pro suppressed, or even pro ccw. "Reasonable restrictions" will be defined to a large extent by this President and this Congress.
     
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