2017 - New Colt Cobra

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My wife carries a 38 S&W airweight but the recoil limits the range time. She is interested in this one or the new Kimber. We will see if she likes one over the other. She has no interest in a 357.
The Model 36 is all steel and ~35% heavier than the 637. Barring custom reloads, that weight increase should tame a lot of that recoil and allow her to enjoy shooting more in the same type gun. The new Colt is another whole step heavier yet (~15-20-25) but a bigger gun.
 
My model 36 fully loaded weights 22.5 oz. on my precision scales.
My old all-steel Detective Special fully loaded weighs 25 oz. on the same scales.

My S&W Model 10 snub fully loaded goes 31.5 oz.
 
My model 36 fully loaded weights 22.5 oz. on my precision scales.
My old all-steel Detective Special fully loaded weighs 25 oz. on the same scales.

My S&W Model 10 snub fully loaded goes 31.5 oz.
I am not sure what conclusion those weights support, but gun weights are usually stated as unloaded.
 
The new Colt DA revolvers are a reality. All the talk for the past few years has finally been confirmed in public....

I saw today that Colt took out a full page ad in this months Guns World magazine.

From the pics looks very similar to the 1990s era SFVI.... which would be smart as they were designed from the start for easy mass production. I only wonder why they used the Cobra name on a steel frame.

I hope the quality is there and I plan to buy one.

Will

I'm with Gun World magazine. We just ran an article on it (Sept issue, you might still find it on shelves). I can tell you, it's a nice gun. Shoots nice and seems to be well made. And I'm not a huge revolver guy. I have no need for it, yet I like it enough I'll probably end up buying it.
 

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I'm waiting for Colt to offer this gun in .45 Colt with a .45 ACP cylinder included
Ahhhh...

If only they chambered it in 9mm !

I'm not sure if a regular 38 Special frame can handle 9mm. For the LCR Ruger used the .357 magnum model as the base.

I know that Charter Arms could just take their 9mm PITBULL and chambr it in .45 ACP - they had to build a new revolver from the ground up - with a beefier frame.
 
I bought my new Colt Cobra a few weeks ago, and like it, it's not near as well finished as my Kimber K6S, but it's nice just the same, it handles +P 38 specials just fine and will make a nice addition to my carry rotation guns, it's great to see Colt making revolvers again, the improvements Colt made to this gun make it a fun gun to shoot as well as very user friendly, that is solid and well made, I look forward to them bringing more to the market place in the future...
 
I've examined the New Cobra closely and I like it a lot. Of course, I'm an easy sell. My favorite of the guns I've carried is Colt's Detective Special, this gun's ancestor.

The new gun's ergonomic improvements are small ones but good ones. The trigger guard is bigger. The grip frame has been opened out to give more finger room. The DA pull is a little lighter; the SA pull is still very nice. If you don't like the front sight, it unscrews. The new gun has the same reassuringly solid feel in hand as the old DS. I was comfortable with it instantly.

I've seen only diagrams of the insides, but the new gun seems like something any decent revolver gunsmith could work on without getting himself into trouble, since in the new gun the parts are manufactured so as to fit, or be very close to fitting, right out of the hopper.

So far, things are looking good for Colt. Next step: Get the new gun into the hands of lots of users, see if any glitches make themselves known, fix any issues that come up, and go from there. It could be that there won't be issues, since nothing in this gun is new ground for Colt. However, being the cautious sort, I always like to let a gun get past the stage where teething problems emerge, if any, before I wholeheartedly endorse it. Either way that works out, I think Colt is going to have a winner here.
 
I'm waiting for Colt to offer this gun in .45 Colt with a .45 ACP cylinder included, blued with a 3" barrel with adjustable sights and and offered with cocobolo roundbutt grips that will fit in the pocket of my shorts and at the announced MSRP of $699.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

If you're young enough you might just see this in time to enjoy it, just have faith...LOL...
 
Because so many people have expressed their doubts about MIM parts, I looked into the matter, and see no particular cause for alarm. "Parts is parts," if they are well designed and well made.

Either the engineers and parts suppliers and manufacturers are all lying like crazy, or they are getting 96-98% of the density of the feed metal, and adequate surface hardness and durability. Of course, the robustness of the finished part should be considered from the outset of its design, and the part should be scaled according to its use, on that basis. So too with any material or forming method. Yes? No?

 
I believe that S&W uses MIM barrels in their .38 Spl. one piece barrel revolvers for at least 10 years. The Bodyguard pistol also has MIM barrel, some Walther pistols of small caliber... Nothing new under the sun - just chill out, or get a Korth...
 
It's true in the Cobra, it is unusual.
Info from a former Colt employee yesterday.
Denis
 
Fully loaded weights are a lot more practical and make a lot more sense. I don't carry an unloaded gun in my pants.

Fully loaded with what? 110 grain JHP's? 158 grain LSWC's? Lightweight R-P brass or heavier FC brass? The "loaded weight" is not known to the manufacturer, because they have no idea what ammo is going into the gun.
 
MIM. Trouble is everyone is doing it now.

Yep.

If you want a revolver with no MIM parts you have about 3 surefire choices these days and none of them are cheap.

1.) Freedom Arms, although the frames are investment cast like a Ruger all the internals are machined from billet, and their reputation for strength and durability is well founded.

2.) Korth, yeah super expensive but every part is machined and then hand fitted.

3.) Manurhin, expensive and rare but there is a US importer for MR73's and they are serious .357's made the old fashioned way out of forgings and billet parts.

Not sure about Ruger and MIM, investment castings don't bother me to be honest as long as the finish machining is nice the parts are well proven for strength.

For that matter MIM parts don't really bother me if they were originally designed to be MIM and the quality of the process is there they can make for excellent parts, I just don't want to be a beta tester for MIM replacing a process for parts production where the original design called for a forging, or billet material be used. I can't imagine an MIM barrel having a good safety margin for something like a squib load followed by a full power load that would bulge a barrel made by hammer forging, or machined from billet. Seems like a method that will not result in parts with high ductile strength, don't seem suitable for a pressure vessel. Perhaps I am wrong.
 
Yep.

If you want a revolver with no MIM parts you have about 3 surefire choices these days and none of them are cheap.

1.) Freedom Arms, although the frames are investment cast like a Ruger all the internals are machined from billet, and their reputation for strength and durability is well founded.

2.) Korth, yeah super expensive but every part is machined and then hand fitted.

3.) Manurhin, expensive and rare but there is a US importer for MR73's and they are serious .357's made the old fashioned way out of forgings and billet parts.

Not sure about Ruger and MIM, investment castings don't bother me to be honest as long as the finish machining is nice the parts are well proven for strength.

For that matter MIM parts don't really bother me if they were originally designed to be MIM and the quality of the process is there they can make for excellent parts, I just don't want to be a beta tester for MIM replacing a process for parts production where the original design called for a forging, or billet material be used. I can't imagine an MIM barrel having a good safety margin for something like a squib load followed by a full power load that would bulge a barrel made by hammer forging, or machined from billet. Seems like a method that will not result in parts with high ductile strength, don't seem suitable for a pressure vessel. Perhaps I am wrong.
Unfortunately Ruger has jumped wholeheartedly on the MIM wagon for things liked triggers and hammers- as you said, parts originally designed as investment castings. I don't really like castings either, but I'll admit nobody does them better than Ruger/Pinetree. This is the no.1 reason I don't buy new guns........:mad:
 
The MIM reference did not concern MIM use in small parts.
MIM is not widely used in BARRELS.
Denis
It looks like the Cobra barrel is a two piece affair with the outer sleeve being MIM. Perhaps the wear characteristics make it incompatible with taking rifling? Or its simply cheaper to turn the inner sleeve on a lathe, cut the rifling and insert it into the outer.....don't know, but it just looks stupid. Call me a snob, I guess, but if I'm going to plunk down my money on a gun, I want craftsmanship. I want machining and polishing. Not a gun that looked like it OOOZED out of a drain pipe and dried in that shape. I understand the economics. I understand the engineering excuses that its "almost as good for most applications." Don't care. Its not for me.
Y'all do watchya want. Its a free country. :)
 
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