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21 To Buy A Handgun

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by limbaughfan, Aug 11, 2006.

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  1. limbaughfan

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    I think it is fedral law,anyway heres my question.Do yall think people should be able to buy handguns at 18,just like they can buy a shotgun or rifle.Do yall there is anyway the law can be chaged to 18.I think at 18 people should be able to buy a handgun.
     
  2. Car Knocker

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    An FFL cannot sell a hanfgun to anyone under the age of 21. HOWEVER, if your state allows, a person under the age of 21 may buy a handgun in a private party sale.
     
  3. limbaughfan

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    In Georgia can you privatly buy a handgun at 18
     
  4. Evil Monkey

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    Michigan also allows 18+ to buy handguns from private individuals.

    A gunshop owner once told me that my dad can buy a handgun then sell it to me because I'm 19 and then I'll register the gun to my name. Sounds cool.:evil:
     
  5. 30-06 lover

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    In Cali where I am, you can own a handgun at 18 so long as the gun is a gift from a family members. No private party, just family transfers if I understand correctly.

    Do I think that if you are 18 and pass the background you should be able to get a handgun? Absolutely. If it was up to me the legal gun purchase age for all guns would be 16. At 16 I had to buy an adult hunting license and tags, but I couldn't even buy a gun to hunt with!?!?!?:banghead:
    -Mike
     
  6. 1911JMB

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    Evil monkey, please be aware that what you're refering to is a straw purchase. Unless its a gift for you, nobody can buy a handgun from a dealer for you. If your dad wrote on a form 4473 that he was buying a handgun for himself and had every intention of selling it to you, he would be commiting a felony. I too am a michigan resident, and the only way I got my 2 handguns was littering gun forums classified sections with want adds.
     
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    You can also receive it through a will.
     
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    ...or have it gifted to you.
     
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    If you're old enough to sign on the dotted line to risk your life in defense of your country, you should be old enough to exercise all your civil rights.
     
  10. Evil Monkey

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    I don't think it's a straw purchase if dad was to register it on his name and then sell it to me and then I'd register it on my name becuase I would be the legitimate owner of the gun. Correct? Or am I missing something.
     
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    ^^

    Its kind of like 'under 21's' roaming the streets looking for someone to buy booze for them.
     
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    I can buy a gun myself with the intent of giving it as a gift. Now I can't by one with your money or be paid later by you, but a family member can give gifts without breaking the law.
     
  13. 1911JMB

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    <I don't think it's a straw purchase if dad was to register it on his name and then sell it to me and then I'd register it on my name becuase I would be the legitimate owner of the gun. Correct? Or am I missing something.>

    Yes you are missing something. Michigan law does not cancel out federal law.
     
  14. Lupinus

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    unless state law prohibits you may get a handgun through a private party transfer. Basically the only people who cant sell you a firearm under federal law are those licensed such as FFL's and I believe C&R holders.
     
  15. Evil Monkey

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    I'm 99% sure I was correct.:uhoh:

    Person "A" buys a handgun and registers it on thier name. "A" owns this handgun. Now he doesn't want it, so he sells it to person "B". Now "B" registers the handgun on his name.

    What's so illegal about that? It's a private transfer and in the state of MI, it's getting registered as well. So what's illegal?:confused:
     
  16. Wes Janson

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    Proving intent would be the key of it. Prudence says that if you're going to do it, you damn well don't go around telling people you intend to break federal law, especially when the primary way you'd get convicted is because you publicly stated your intentions.
     
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    If you can vote, drive, serve your country, and own a rifle or shotgun, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to own a handgun.
     
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    Now i don't want to get hammered here by the other members of the forums i am by no means trying to piss anyone off. i enjoy my rights and am willing to die for the USA on a daily basis to ensure that those rights and freedoms are up held, but I personally think that the 21 age is ok for ownership of a handgun, i think that there is plenty rifles out there and shotguns to keep someone busy until they turn 21.
     
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    but a straw purchase has to be proven and when it comes to family, it pretty much never becomes an issue...
     
  20. Evil Monkey

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    Let me make this clear:

    I DO NOT INTEND TO INITIATE AND/OR PARTICIPATE IN A STRAW PURCHASE, AND/OR BREAK ANY FEDERAL AND/OR STATE FIREARM LAWS!
     
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    So you trust an 18 year old to vote, buy an AK47 or Mossberg 12ga, or drive a tank, but you don't trust him with a .38 revolver?

    -MV
     
  22. Byron Quick

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    I'm just old enough to have bought a few firearms before 1968. I turned fourteen in 1968.

    Probably a good thing the GCA of 1968 was passed. I would have probably died of heat stroke cutting lawns to raise more money otherwise.
     
  23. Technosavant

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    If you claim that you want to have another purchase a handgun for you when you are unable to purchase a firearm under federal law, then yes, you are asking about a straw purchase, no matter what you post in large type and in standout colors. Call it what you like, but what matters is the ATF's definition of straw purchase.

    Now, for example, if your father would buy a handgun, and after taking it to the range a couple times, decides he does not enjoy that handgun, from what has been said about your state law, it would not be illegal for him to sell that handgun to you as a private-party purchase. He would simply be fortunate that he would be able to recoup what he paid for the gun and that his loving and devoted son just happened to enjoy shooting that particular handgun, and wishes to keep it because of the sentimental value attached to it (it WAS your father's gun, after all). All fathers should be so fortunate. :evil:

    For him to buy the gun and then immediately sell it to you or for you to hand him the money to buy the gun before the fact is going to look an AWFULLY lot like a straw purchase to the ATF. This will only become an issue if you do something with that handgun that would make the .gov take a good hard look at how it came to be in your possession.
     
  24. Jamie C.

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    I'm probably gonna pi$$ everybody off by saying this, but I do not believe that anybody under the age of 21 should be allowed access to any firearm unsupervised.

    The reason for this is both my own experience in law enforcement, dealing with kids who've broken the law, and the fact that biologically, an 18 year old doesn't have the ability yet to always make a rational decision.

    Take a look at this:

    "Dr. Deborah Yurgelun-Todd of Harvard Medical School has studied the relation between these new findings and teen behavior and concluded that adolescents often rely on emotional parts of the brain, rather than the frontal lobe. She explains,
    the things that teenagers seem to do is to respond more strongly with gut response than they do with evaluating the consequences of what they’re doing.”
    Also, appearances may be deceiving: “Just because they’re physically mature, they may not appreciate the consequences or weigh information the same way as adults do. So we may be mistaken if we think that [although] somebody looks physically mature, their brain may in fact not be mature.”

    “The evidence now is strong that the brain does not cease to mature until the early 20s in those relevant parts that govern impulsivity, judgment, planning for the future, foresight of consequences, and other characteristics that make people morally culpable…. Indeed, age 21 or 22 would be closer to the 'biological’ age of maturity.”

    The whole article can be found here.
    It's a PDF file, so it'll take a minute to pull up, if you're on a dial-up.

    And here's another article on the subject: Teen Brains on Trial


    Now, take that information and couple it with the fact that kids are becoming more and more involved with violent crime ( The police chief for Nashville claims that 1/4 of the violent crime in Davidson county this year has been committed by 14 to 18 year olds).

    So.... anybody else think that maybe not letting people have handguns until they're at least 21 is really such a bad idea? Especially when so many parents these days aren't really bothering to actually raise their kids?



    J.C.
     
  25. Evil Monkey

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    I'm 19 years old and I am definitely mature. I think for large periods of time before doing anything. I don't threaten people. I don't look for trouble. I'm always thinking about my future. I've been mad and wanted to "express" myself, but I did it through video games.

    I could go on and on. But if there's one person like me, then there's a million. So 18yo minimum is fine.

    Oh and, what about those 18yo soldiers we have in Iraq?:)
     
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