.22 Caliber rifle
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Deltaboy1984
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Marlin 60.
SleazyRider
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His loss. As for me, it whetted my appetite for a CZ Lux.Alas, the original posters only thread was this one on 07 April 2013 and it looks like he never returned.
However, it has proven to be an interesting thread with some good information shared.
Ron
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I've got a Savage heavy fluted barrel with a Nikon Prostaff rimfire that I think I paid around $425 total for. It'll put Wolf match ammo into a 5 shot dime size group at 50 yards. The thing is I have a Henry lever action that is almost as accurate...go figure. It's sick for a lever gun...
I have a $70 GM SS 20" sporter (12 days of Christmas sale), and Brimstone 3rd tier job ($40). It shoots ragged holes off the bench, and I shot expertx5 (rifleman five times) at my last Appleseed. So it might take an extra $100 (minimum) to make a $200 rifle shoot much better.
Reloadron
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Same here, I have a small collection of 22 rimfire rifles and after this thread may finally break ranks from the older ones I love and think about a CZ addition.
Ron
Reloadron;
Uh, I know the feeling. But, once I got my hands on my first CZ, I understand. With the sole exception of the triggerguard, the CZ will strongly evoke thoughts of the pre-64 model 70 Winchester. However, t'were I you, I'd go hunt for 452's rather than the newer 455 model CZ. The 452's have the barrel screwed into the action, whereas the 455 slips in & is held by a V-block ala the 10/22.
The triggerguard exception can be rectified also.
900F
Uh, I know the feeling. But, once I got my hands on my first CZ, I understand. With the sole exception of the triggerguard, the CZ will strongly evoke thoughts of the pre-64 model 70 Winchester. However, t'were I you, I'd go hunt for 452's rather than the newer 455 model CZ. The 452's have the barrel screwed into the action, whereas the 455 slips in & is held by a V-block ala the 10/22.
The triggerguard exception can be rectified also.
900F
Reloadron
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Thanks a bunch. I have yet to do any homework and knowing that is a good start.
I have quite a bit of .22 match type ammunition. My brother-in-law shot .22 match and passed away (I really miss that guy). Anyway my sister gave me all the ammunition he had. She did keep his .22 match rifle. I have to get a good look at that rifle as I am not sure what it was. Anyway, thanks a bunch for the info.
Ron
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It's also my understanding that if you want a left-handed CZ .22, it will be a 452. The 455's are not being made with the bolt on the proper side of the action at this time. If you run across a 452 Mannlicher stock, grab it! The 453 is a 452 with a single-set trigger and only available in the right handed version. A place you'll want to visit & perhaps join is triple w rimfirecentral dot com, the BRNO/CZ forum.
900F
It's also my understanding that if you want a left-handed CZ .22, it will be a 452. The 455's are not being made with the bolt on the proper side of the action at this time. If you run across a 452 Mannlicher stock, grab it! The 453 is a 452 with a single-set trigger and only available in the right handed version. A place you'll want to visit & perhaps join is triple w rimfirecentral dot com, the BRNO/CZ forum.
900F
10/22. You don't need to modify anything. My non-gun friends that come shooting with me love it as well. This "mod" nonsense started WAY after the gun was a huge success, and in large part BECAUSE they are so great not because you need to do anything to them.
And you are short-changing yourself not to learn how to shoot with iron sights. It teaches you a lot about what you are doing wrong, especially breath control.
I know you probably have this picture in your head about your cool new rifle with the scope but be patient, scopes suck sometimes and it's going to double or triple the price of the purchase since I get the feeling you will be paying someone to mount/bore sight it for you. They completely change your field of vision, they suck when it's cold (even the best will have fog on the outside), and a cheap one does more harm than good.
I have plenty of scopes, but there are some guns that will never wear one and a .22 is one of them. My muzzleloader is another.
My .02
And you are short-changing yourself not to learn how to shoot with iron sights. It teaches you a lot about what you are doing wrong, especially breath control.
I know you probably have this picture in your head about your cool new rifle with the scope but be patient, scopes suck sometimes and it's going to double or triple the price of the purchase since I get the feeling you will be paying someone to mount/bore sight it for you. They completely change your field of vision, they suck when it's cold (even the best will have fog on the outside), and a cheap one does more harm than good.
I have plenty of scopes, but there are some guns that will never wear one and a .22 is one of them. My muzzleloader is another.
My .02
I just read some previous responses about the accuracy of the 10/22.
These guys are NUTS. My non-shooting friends- girls and guys alike- can usually hit a cherry tomato at 40 yards after a 10 minute tutorial/practice.
I know this because our usual game is to set up shish-kebob sticks on the rock wall as targets while we roast lunch/dinner on the fire.
I can hit a 6" plate at 50 yards every time and at 100 yards at least half the time with open sights.
It is a 100% stock gun that gets cleaned every 1500-2000 rounds and has 20,000+ rounds down the barrel. About 10 years old. My fathers is three times as old and has been cleaned about twice and still runs fine... when it starts jamming because there is literally caked on burnt powder he runs a bore snake through it with some crud cutter and it works fine again.
I'm not saying anything else is bad, but it's silly to say that a 10/22 "needs" anything.
These guys are NUTS. My non-shooting friends- girls and guys alike- can usually hit a cherry tomato at 40 yards after a 10 minute tutorial/practice.
I know this because our usual game is to set up shish-kebob sticks on the rock wall as targets while we roast lunch/dinner on the fire.
I can hit a 6" plate at 50 yards every time and at 100 yards at least half the time with open sights.
It is a 100% stock gun that gets cleaned every 1500-2000 rounds and has 20,000+ rounds down the barrel. About 10 years old. My fathers is three times as old and has been cleaned about twice and still runs fine... when it starts jamming because there is literally caked on burnt powder he runs a bore snake through it with some crud cutter and it works fine again.
I'm not saying anything else is bad, but it's silly to say that a 10/22 "needs" anything.
And you think that's good do you? If I owned a rifle that wouldn't do what you describe I'd throw it in the river because I wouldn't sell it to anyone since I don't want to rip anyone off and I dang sure wouldn't want to shoot it myself.
A 6" group at 50 yards is nothing friend. A 6" group at 100 yards with open sights is ok but nothing to write home about. I've seen far better.
You realize that's a marketing slogan, right? A person can "say" anything. It doesn't make it true. What does prove which is more popular is the number sold and Marlin has doubled the sales of Ruger with the 60 vs. the 10/22.
Just to prove my point here's another marketing slogan that might catch your eye. ...Jimmy Twinkle and the BAD, were recently named America's favorite Rock Band.... Yeah we can forget Lynyrd Skynyrd now. Twinkle is tops now. Push off Pearl Jam. Adios Aerosmith. So long Santana. Ciao Chicago. Bye Bye Bruce. Hasta la vista Heart. It's the end for the Eagles. Steely Dan, Green Day, Metallica, Steppewolf, The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Janis w/ Big Brother, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Doors, Fleetwood Mac, CS&N, - all have been upstaged by "Jimmy Twinkle". Like I said, it's easy to say it. It's another thing to prove it.
When Ruger sells more 10/22's then I'll start to pay attention. Until then I'll ignore wild claims of superiority by mad men (reference the tv show).
I guess if you set your standards low enough, anything looks good. Being able to keep your shots within 6" at 50 yards (12 MOA!!) is not particularly accurate.
If you ever get a chance to shoot a good 22, you'll be in for a shock.
bluekouki86
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I am not a fan of the 10/22 myself. I personally like the Marlin 60 or 75. I prefer tube fed guns is one of the main reasons. I own several Marlins and wouldn't let go of any of them.
afponiky
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This thread has to get locked down.....
No way is this H.R. material.......
DM~
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I have both, the 60 and the 10/22... I like the way the 60 "carrys in my hand", instead of like a beached whale like the 10/22. BUT, to be honest, i like my Remington 552 better than both of them, and it's the one i'd keep IF i ever had to sell two of the three.
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saenzrich
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Unfortunately, there are a few too many people who forgot the main purpose of THR...
Which is to help others and take The High Road...there are to many people on this forum who's main objective is to belittle those not as "experienced" as them.
Rimfirecentral is a great place for any thing 22 related.
JamesHarrison1212
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Thank you everyone that has wrote this has really helped me out. I actually got a couple guns given to me from the old farm we had. I now have 2 bolt action 22 rifles one being a repeater tube feed. They are two very old guns I cleaned them up and they work excellent. I am thinking though that I still want to get a auto feed rifle.
The type of auto feed that I want is something that the ruger 10/22 offers. I did not mean to put down the ruger it does have some things I like.
So for the auto feed I would like to get must have a clip, I kinda like how the ruger is hidden. I would really like a one that is going to be a little cheaper I dont need anything fancy I already have a couple good guns. I would like the gun to be reliable and be fairly accurate. I am just curious on a couple guns that are going to be cheap, reliable, and fairly accurate.
The type of auto feed that I want is something that the ruger 10/22 offers. I did not mean to put down the ruger it does have some things I like.
So for the auto feed I would like to get must have a clip, I kinda like how the ruger is hidden. I would really like a one that is going to be a little cheaper I dont need anything fancy I already have a couple good guns. I would like the gun to be reliable and be fairly accurate. I am just curious on a couple guns that are going to be cheap, reliable, and fairly accurate.
PedalBiker
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I used to have a Marlin 60. The nice thing with tube feed is that you can get the right size vinyl tubing, seal one end and use them like speed loaders. Take out the tube, dump in the rounds and put the tube back in.
I have a Ruger 10/22 now, I like it too although the BX-25 magazines are about to be outlawed in the People's Republic of Colorado. Thanks for nothing Kefalas and Ginal.
I have a Ruger 10/22 now, I like it too although the BX-25 magazines are about to be outlawed in the People's Republic of Colorado. Thanks for nothing Kefalas and Ginal.
What people mean is that because others don't agree that the Ruger 10/22 is the rifle which sets the standards for "all" other rifles then this is not useful information.
That's the kind of stuff that will forever keep me from buying a 10/22. Sure they're nice rifles, better than most, and have some great features especially an aftermarket supply of parts that can't be beat. But those people that claim they are the be all and end all of rifles make me want to never be seen even holding a Ruger. I wouldn't want people thinking I'm one of those that think there's nothing better. They're fine rifles. But the idea that they're the most popular, best built, most accurate rifles on the planet is ridiculous. I've seen at least a dozen different Remington .22's I would pick over the Ruger 10/22. I like Marlins though. I have tube mag Marlins and box mag Marlins (the 795) that all shoot better than any stock Ruger I ever picked up. And I've been shooting a LOT since I was 7 years old which was 50 years ago. Shooting was a big thing in my family and I grew up doing it. I know the difference between an accurate rifle and one that is not so accurate. You can figure out the rest.
That's the kind of stuff that will forever keep me from buying a 10/22. Sure they're nice rifles, better than most, and have some great features especially an aftermarket supply of parts that can't be beat. But those people that claim they are the be all and end all of rifles make me want to never be seen even holding a Ruger. I wouldn't want people thinking I'm one of those that think there's nothing better. They're fine rifles. But the idea that they're the most popular, best built, most accurate rifles on the planet is ridiculous. I've seen at least a dozen different Remington .22's I would pick over the Ruger 10/22. I like Marlins though. I have tube mag Marlins and box mag Marlins (the 795) that all shoot better than any stock Ruger I ever picked up. And I've been shooting a LOT since I was 7 years old which was 50 years ago. Shooting was a big thing in my family and I grew up doing it. I know the difference between an accurate rifle and one that is not so accurate. You can figure out the rest.
bigdaa
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Most accurate 22 shooter I ever had was an old Marlin Glenfield Model 60 with the little squirrel on the side and the metal trigger housing.
From zero to 100 yards I could pick off anything my eyes back then could see, first shot, from shards of shiny glass to shotgun shells.
Sadly, I sold it to my long time friend for 20 bucks because he didn't have a gun.
My newer Model 60 does not shoot the same at all.
Sweetest 22 I had was a Browning Belgian Takedown with scope. It burned up in a house fire.
Now, I have 3 10/22's, all of which have been modified.
1st is now my older son's and it has a plain Midway 22 inch barrel, standard contour and a heavily reworked stock that is refinished.
2nd has a Fast twist fluted heavy barrel, a Boyd stock and is used for subsonic rounds.
3rd has a standard heavy barrel and a Boyd stock and is my youngest son's.
What gun in 22 do I want next?
Another Browning Takedown. Miroku would be just fine, brand new. It was the very fastest shooting little 22 I ever shot.
From zero to 100 yards I could pick off anything my eyes back then could see, first shot, from shards of shiny glass to shotgun shells.
Sadly, I sold it to my long time friend for 20 bucks because he didn't have a gun.
My newer Model 60 does not shoot the same at all.
Sweetest 22 I had was a Browning Belgian Takedown with scope. It burned up in a house fire.
Now, I have 3 10/22's, all of which have been modified.
1st is now my older son's and it has a plain Midway 22 inch barrel, standard contour and a heavily reworked stock that is refinished.
2nd has a Fast twist fluted heavy barrel, a Boyd stock and is used for subsonic rounds.
3rd has a standard heavy barrel and a Boyd stock and is my youngest son's.
What gun in 22 do I want next?
Another Browning Takedown. Miroku would be just fine, brand new. It was the very fastest shooting little 22 I ever shot.
SwampWolf
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I certainly agree with this. Because others like the little Ruger, even to a "fault", means I shouldn't consider getting one? Every brand and type of firearm have their followers, some even to the level of "fan boy" status. And that fact should keep me from even considering choosing a particular gun? If that was the case for me, there'd be no CZs or Marlins or Remingtons in my safe...
I've seen dozens of posts from different people who think the very same thing. Your disapproval is no reason for me to change my mind. I wouldn't want to be seen as a fan boy. It's that simple. I didn't want to use that term but since you brought it up.
You can think what you want but I don't see any ridiculous claims being made about CZ, Marlin or Remington. I've never seen anyone say there is no other gun worth buying than any of those guns but I've seen lots of people say that about 10/22's.
Whatever the case that's my opinion and you won't change it. To me it's like wearing a tin foil hat. Because some people think it protects you from the spy rays the phone cops use is a good reason for me not to want to wear a shiny hat any time soon. Some people are pretty much on that level when it comes to the 10/22. I don't want people thinking I'm one of them. There are lots of better choices for rimfire rifles unless I would suddenly want to develop a very accurate semi-auto and I found a money tree growing in my back yard.
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