.22 mag handguns?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by milemaker13, Jan 27, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,114
    Location:
    Tennessee
    My P-32 has a 13-shot extended magazine. I would still recommend a .380 and only half of my Kel-tecs are reliable. I added a Kel-tec extension to their extended magazine. I guess they don't make the ones I have anymore but they do have a 10 rd magazine for the P-32.

    https://www.keltecweapons.com/quickview/index/view/path/p32-37-10rd-magazine-223

    That said I would sure recommend a .380 or 9.mm loaded with light rds (115 gr. Gold Dot). If Sig get's it together on the p365 that would be my choice.

    Winchester makes a 105 gr. 9mm:

    https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger/-handgun-105grains-

    Here are a few great resources for women CCW:

    https://thewellarmedwoman.com/

    https://www.gungoddess.com/

    https://ammo.com/articles/womans-self-defense-guide-concealed-carry

    https://www.pewpewtactical.com/7-best-handguns-women/

    http://www.wideopenspaces.com/6-best-self-defense-handguns-women/
     
    Demi-human likes this.
  2. Demi-human
    • Contributing Member

    Demi-human maybe likes firearms a little bit…

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2016
    Messages:
    5,404
    Location:
    The Haymarsh, MI (Aka, Paradise.)
    Excellent resources! As your moniker suggests, you are quite keen.:)
    With some of the small nine millimeter pistols and soft shooting ammunition made today, I encourage every female to consider concealed carry, as there is a vast array of choices.

    To that, God Bless America.
     
    SharpDog likes this.
  3. .22M.R.F.

    .22M.R.F. Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2009
    Messages:
    58
    Location:
    N.C. Piedmont
    If it's not too late please allow me to offer another suggestion or second one which has already been made. The .32 caliber should not be ignored as a choice and in the .32 H&R Magnum or the 327 Federal Magnum they are both better self defense rounds than the .22MRF or the .22LR cartridges plus the .32 S&W Long and the .32 Short can be fired from the same revolver. My choice for a revolver would be the Ruger LCR, the double action pull is very light compared to most revolvers of similar size is much easier than the majority. Recoil will be mild shooting the .32 H&R Magnum and remain better suited as a self defense round than either the ,22LR or the .22MRF. My suggestion is to go to a range where any revolvers you wish to try are offered for rent and give all these and the other suggestions a try, you may be very pleasantly surprised.
     
  4. Demi-human
    • Contributing Member

    Demi-human maybe likes firearms a little bit…

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2016
    Messages:
    5,404
    Location:
    The Haymarsh, MI (Aka, Paradise.)
    The irony of your handle, in contrast with your advice is not lost on me.:)

    I think that a thirty two would definitely be a much better choice as well.
     
  5. dickydalton

    dickydalton Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,886
    Location:
    New Mexico
  6. DannyLandrum

    DannyLandrum Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2017
    Messages:
    439
    .22 mag revolvers: Not a fan due to the huge cylinder gap blast - I'd rather shoot a .38 special plus P without ears.

    The PMR30 - gets a bad rep, but IMO is a lot of effective firepower and the two I had ran well. 50 grainers will not only cycle it better, but will penetrate a lot at over 2100 fps. Multiply by 30 and the ability to VERY rapidly shoot accurately, and it's nothing to sneeze at, in my view.
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2018
  7. webrx
    • Contributing Member

    webrx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2010
    Messages:
    1,114
    Location:
    Reno
    Been down this road, wife started with a 38 snub taurus, then a 22 mag lcr, LCP, then lc9s, then a micro 9, now is on and loves her sig p238(s). The sig is the softest shooting 380 I have had my hands on, and has proven reliable. She is happy, that makes me happy and I have some toys for the range or to carry if I choose.

    d
     
    Demi-human likes this.
  8. eastbank

    eastbank Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2009
    Messages:
    4,776
    my .22 mag revolver is a old Stanford conn. charter arms pathfinder with a 6" barrel and adjustable sights, its like a 7/8(J-frame) size light weight K-22 and is very accurett.
     
  9. ThomasT

    ThomasT Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    Messages:
    5,856
    Location:
    Burleson,Texas
    If she shoots a 1911 well have a look at these. I had one and can say it was an excellent gun that I regret trading off. What did I trade it for. A Taurus 22 mag with 4" barrel. It had a hell of a trigger and the rounds were hard to extract even after I polished the cylinders. It didn't stay around long. I sure wanted my Star BM back. It was slightly bigger than the common 380s and because it was a locked breech instead of blow back like common 380s the recoil felt about the same. Actually the recoil seemed less from what I remember.

    http://www.jgsales.com/star-bm,-9mm-luger,-compact-semi-auto-pistol,-blued,-vg,-used.-p-85501.html

    In a small revolver try a 32 long snub with a 3" barrel. Light recoil and low blast. Hard to find and expensive when you do but worth every penny you paid. I have a like new one in the box from S&W and its a shootin' dude.

    I also load Lee 124gr round nose bullets intended for 9mm in 38 cases with 3.5grs of Bullseye and they are as easy to shoot as the above mention 32. For SD loads a light load with a Speed Gold Dot 110gr bullet would make an easy to shoot load.
     
  10. ThomasT

    ThomasT Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    Messages:
    5,856
    Location:
    Burleson,Texas
    I am lucky enough to have a S&W 431PD airweight in 32 mag. It stays in my night stand for home use. Its loaded with full power 85gr Hornady XTP hollow points and weighs 15oz loaded. But a lead bullet load at 1000fps is fun to shoot in all my 32 mag guns and adds 150fps over my 32 long loads with the same 94gr bullet.
     
  11. ThomasT

    ThomasT Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    Messages:
    5,856
    Location:
    Burleson,Texas
    I forgot about it because I just got it and haven't shot it yet but is an H&R 32 long revolver that looks almost new with just a drag line on the cylinder. I paid $120 for it on GB and of course the added shipping and transfer when it got here so the total was $170. Still not bad for a like new 32 caliber gun.

    There are several on GB all the time and might be just the thing for your wife.
     
  12. MTNSTRYDER

    MTNSTRYDER Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    208
    Location:
    Vermont
    Take her to several gun stores,make it a fun day include diner.Let her pick “Her Gun”.
     
    MedWheeler likes this.
  13. Lycidas Janwor

    Lycidas Janwor Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2014
    Messages:
    722
    Location:
    Basket of Deplorables
    Yep, I have a PMR30 and love it. It's light, it carries 30 rounds in the mag, the pistol fits very nicely in my hand and outside of the large flash and the noise from the "bang", the gun is just super fun to shoot. If you want a pistol that you can fire rapidly and still be accurate, this is the pistol for you.

    The biggest issue with the PMR30 is buying the ammo. It's expensive and if you buy the cheap stuff (Amscor crap) be prepared to be disappointed with the ammo (not the pistol). So, if you go ahead and buy the good ammo (CCI for example), it's expensive, but well worth it.
     
    ancientnoob likes this.
  14. ancientnoob

    ancientnoob Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2017
    Messages:
    282
    A good friend of mine, an older gentleman owns and carries a PMR-30. He raves about it. I personally thought the gun would be crap, being a rim fired semi auto, but nope, the gun is awesome. Its a shame I cannot own one here in CT. We are limited to 10 round magazines, not matter the caliber or type of primer. I am really fascinated by the .22 magnum for some reason. I would love to get my hands on 30 rounds of .22 mag. It appears to be a great deal of fun and an awful lot of fire power in one convenient package. I never heard good things about Keltec with the exception of PMR-30 and from what I hear their shotgun is quite bananas.
     
  15. will11

    will11 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    44
    Location:
    Heath, OH
    I just am crazy about my Kel Tec .32 and have had it for a number of years. It is a great pocket carry gun. The .22 WMR is a great cartridge but seems better suited in a rifle than a handgun. But I am impressed with the NAA Pug and Black Widow pistols. They are very well made.

    Will
     
    MedWheeler likes this.
  16. p35

    p35 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    999
    Location:
    Puget Sound
    I used to have a Taurus 941UL (IIRC) in .22 Mag. I finally traded it off because the blast made it painful to shoot even through double ear protection. I'd rather shoot a .357 any day. Now, maybe the loads made specifically for short barrel pistols are better in that regard; they weren't available when I had that gun. If I couldn't stand to shoot it I certainly wouldn't try to talk someone else into it.
     
  17. Pete D.

    Pete D. Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,569
    Not quite. The velocity cited here is when the 22 magnum is fired from a RIFLE. Pistol velocities are substantially lower.....on the order of 800-900 fps slower, depending on the weight of the bullet.
     
    straightshooterjake likes this.
  18. Gordon
    • Contributing Member

    Gordon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    12,603
    Location:
    Southern Oregon
    My 8 3/8 model 48 no dash and my 9" 3 screw Single Six both shoot over 1700 FPS with Winchester 40 Grain Hollow point . My AMT Auto mag 2 has a 6.5" barrel and shoots the same at 1600 FPS. I don't buy the light Hyper Velocity .22 Mag, the Winchester 40 Grain HP has proved it's self for me on game and is what functions 100% in the Auto Mag. I have an 18" Excel Arms Excaliber rifle that shoots that load at 1900 FPS and an Anschutz Exemplar 14" .22 Mag pistol that shoots it at 1800 fps. The old Mossberg Chuckster with 24" barrel hit 2000 FPS , I have been monkeying with .22Mag for years. It is a very popular livestock slaughter cartridge, thru steers , and has proven a dead 200 yard gun in the Anshutz pistol and the Chuckster for 25+ years for me . The 9" Ruger was my favorite livestock slaughter gun for 40 years and longer time for the Chuckster on Ground Squirrels. I also have a couple .22 mag derringers and a 4" Colt Trooper MK 3 and a 4 3/4 Colt New Frontier in .22 mag. Where the .22lr is fun and quiet and cheap, the .22 Mag is a good small game hunter much further out and for heavier stuff like coyotes and , yes even cougar back in the day !
     
    chicharrones likes this.
  19. Pete D.

    Pete D. Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,569
    Those velocities are appropriate for those barrel lengths...1600 to 1800 FPS. It is the rare rifle that will give 2100 FPS with the basic 40 grain bullet.
    The shorter barrels found on carry guns are going to have yet more velocity loss. One can easily find ballistic test results for 22 magnum pistols in general and the PMR-30 specifically. One such test, using 10 types of 22 mag ammo from the PMR-30 yielded a velocity range of 1187 to 1518 FPS.
    See http://rangehot.com/22-magnum-ballistic-test/
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2018
  20. straightshooterjake

    straightshooterjake Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2016
    Messages:
    239
    The testing of .22 magnum rounds on "ballistics by the inch" is quite interesting.

    ballisticsbytheinch.com - .22 Mag Results in fps

    Their results indicate that most .22 magnum rounds from 4" barrels give ballistics very comparable to .22 long rifle from a rifle lengh barrel. This is the approximate ballistics I expect from most carry sized .22 magnum pistols. .22LR has killed lots of medium and even larger sized things, but that still does not make it an ideal choice for defense.

    With a little more barrel length, many .22 magnum rounds change dramatically. With a 6" barrel they pick up quite a bit, and with a 9" barrel, some .22 magnum loads deliver near rifle performance. And from a rifle barrel, .22 magnum is much more powerful than any .22LR.

    So my expectation from carry size .22 magnum pistols is that they will deliver .22LR type performance, but with much more flash and noise. These are not terrible ballistics, but they are much less than the flash and noise would seem to indicate. In some cases, .22 magnum carry guns may be a good compromise, but as I suggested in a much earlier post, I think many people would be better served by a .32.

    There may be some .22 magnum loads that do better in a short barrel, but tests I have seen on the "short barrel" loads have had ballistics pretty similar to other loadings.

    In pistols with a bit longer barrels, .22 magnum shows much more of its potential. But most of these pistols are more suited to open carry and hunting than concealed carry.
     
    robhof and chicharrones like this.
  21. chicharrones

    chicharrones needs more ammo

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2010
    Messages:
    9,316
    Location:
    Galveston Bay is an Hour Away ©
    It's been a couple years since I've gone shootin' with my shootin' buddy when he's had his chrono out for use. I do have this little excerpt from his KelTec PMR30 and my Ruger Single Six 9.5".

    .22 Magnum informal chronometer results June 26, 2015.

    Ruger Single Six 9.5" bbl
    Hornady VMax 30 grain = 1714 fps average
    Remington 40 grain PSP = 1406 fps average
    Winchester Super X 40 grain JHP = 1367 fps average

    Keltec PMR 30 4.3" bbl
    Hornady VMax 30 grain = 1579 fps average
    Hornady Critical Defense 45 grain = 1264 fps average
    CCI Choot Em 40 grain JHP = 1236 fps average
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2018
  22. Pete D.

    Pete D. Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,569
    The only handgun .22 that I know if with a barrel under six inches that will give you 2100 FPS is a centerfire, the FN FiveSeven and that is with specialty ammo from Elite Ammunition.
     
    chicharrones likes this.
  23. someguy2800

    someguy2800 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2015
    Messages:
    6,854
    Location:
    Minnesota
    I think this thread is way past its experation date but I don't think a 22mag in a short barrel is a useful thing at all. They are loud as all heck and give very meager performance. My father in law has an old 3" barrel H&R.

    If my wife asked me to get her a carry gun I would not give her a revolver. My first suggestion would be a glock 42 or an M&P Shield 380ez with no thumb safety. If ruger made an LC380s pro, that would be a slam dunk of a carry gun.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice