22 magnum for defense in a revolver

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I have a 4in 22 magnum 9 shot revolver. Plan on shooting Speer Gold Dot out of it. Going to be the fishing, camp gun. What are the opinions of this being a defensive weapon if called upon. Don't say there are better choices. I already know this.
I am of the mind set that 9 rounds will deter and more than likely stop the threat if needed. I am talking 2 and 4 legged critters. 4 legged up to a mountain lion size.
Thoughts?
 
Up to but not including; lion & greater predators... why not?

Those however, I have to feel you're woefully undergunned regardless the number of rounds.

Between a cat and a bear it won't likely get down to one using even half those rounds in most head-on attacks in the first place.


Todd.
 
Insufficient for a dangerous predator like a mountain lion. .22 magnum from a 4” revolver will be as loud as a .45 ACP or 9mm and will only be generating slightly more than .22LR rifle ballistics if that.

My opinion, and you may not want to hear it, is the gun will be terrible for your purposes.
 
I'm a big fan of the 22 mag round and your gun sounds like an excellent choice. I have done a lot of shooting with 22 mag handguns into the old test mediums like Duxseal and other putties and jugs of water. The 22 mags blows bigger deeper holes than any 22lr could ever dream of. And the 22 mag really benefits from the longer barrel. But even a snub 22 mag would not be a round I would want to stand in front of.

The odds of you needing it for SD are pretty slim. But if called on your 9 shot payload should do the trick if you can shoot. And the light recoil should make shooting your gun accurately easy to do. If you don't panic.

I don't like your choice of the Gold Dots. Those are too soft for good penetration. I saw one YT video where the guy shot them into a gallon jug of water and they didn't even exit the other side of the jug. I have had my best luck with Winchester and Armscor ammo. Most don't know it but the Excellent Fiocchi 22 mag ammo is just rebranded Armscor 22 mag ammo. I like accuracy first and penetration second and expansion if it happens.
 
My partner has used a single six with 22 Mag cylinder on lots of pesky critters. Like the Winchester 40 gr load best with CCI 40 gr GamePoint second. Fed 50 gr works well in my rifle, revolver doesn't like this as well. Also have used the Hornady FTX short barrel load, no opinion yet on it.
Our youngest son turned 22 in March. About 3 months after his birth, the local correctional facility had an outbreak. As the crow flies, it is only about 4 miles away. My partner was running our greenhouse bakery and wanted some protection- she like the way the single six felt, so she kept it in the baby carriage when in the greenhouse.
Perhaps not a bear stopper, she is pretty effective with it.
 
I think that would be just fine for your purposes.

One thing I have recently failed to grasp onto is the philosophy of enough gun for human targets. We all agree that one shot stops and magic bullets dont exist or are exceedingly unlikely. We all agree that we need to shoot until the threat is stopped. We all agree shot placement is king even though we like to conveniently leave out the part about how difficult shot placement probably is in a human vs human encounter.

If we shoot until the threat is stopped, what then are the limiting factors of caliber and cartridge? Just keep shooting, right?

It sounds more like capacity is the limiting factor.
 
For anything on 4 legs and is a predator like a mountain lion, I'd want a bigger bullet than .22 Mag. For humans the .22 Mag can get the job done with the right ammo and provided you don't get a dud. I'd never encourage anyone to get a .22 Mag for self defense, I'll always recommend .32 Mag over .22 Mag for that, but for those who already have a .22 Mag you could do much worse and there's no reason to not use it.
 
I think you have more of a chance of being struck by lightning than encountering an aggressive mountain lion. I think you have a much greater chance of encountering a 2 legged dirtbag. In my experience in the wild, 2 legged dirtbags tend to be very humble when it’s realized that you are packing. At least that has been my experience.
 
I have a 4in 22 magnum 9 shot revolver. Plan on shooting Speer Gold Dot out of it. Going to be the fishing, camp gun. What are the opinions of this being a defensive weapon if called upon. Don't say there are better choices. I already know this.
I am of the mind set that 9 rounds will deter and more than likely stop the threat if needed. I am talking 2 and 4 legged critters. 4 legged up to a mountain lion size.
Thoughts?
Something interesting I discovered the hard way: black bears attack loud noises. Most animals run away but black bears run at.

Just something to keep in mind if you plan to carry a .22WMRF in bear country.
 
Insufficient for a dangerous predator like a mountain lion. .22 magnum from a 4” revolver will be as loud as a .45 ACP or 9mm and will only be generating slightly more than .22LR rifle ballistics if that.

My opinion, and you may not want to hear it, is the gun will be terrible for your purposes.
I have kiiled two Mt. Lion in Southern AZ with my Ruger Single Six shooting 22lr CCI Stinger ammo. Distance was about 10yrds. Cats were treeed. One shot each. I am pretty confident a 22 WMR round will do the trick.
 
I have a few .22 mags; two rifles, a 6.5” Ruger single six convertible, Taurus 941 4” and a S&W Model 48 6”.

The positives with the 9-shot DA revolver are a decent capacity, low recoil, good accuracy and ease of carrying spare ammo.

The negatives are limited energy and bullet styles, rimfire (occasional) unreliability and (occasional) difficulty ejecting rimfire cases from revolvers.

While I doubt you’ll ever need to use it, I think you’ll be a bit better served with a .32 H&R or .327 Federal for human defense and against biting critters. A bit more oomph can’t hurt in such a situation. That being said, I will state you won’t be “unarmed” with the .22 Mag if you do stay with it.

Stay safe.
 
.22WMR is a wicked little cartridge. I have a Ruger LCR22WMR and a 3" LCRx22WMR that I've shot extensively and have a good idea how those rounds react to things on impact. I would not feel undergunned carrying it for personal protection. Like any handgun that doesn't develop tremendous velocity shot placement rules the day.
 
good ammo choice, paul harrel has a video on 22 mag and I carry that in a NAA mini revolver with a 1 1/8" barrel. your barrel makes it that much snappier. not sure if it is the exact same one, but I have a speer cartrdige designed for short barrels, and should expand at the lower velocities than you'd get out of a rifle.
 
my most accurate handgun is a 5.5” ruger single six shooting 22wmr. however, between its too loud noise and the minimal threat level that i face in my tame outdoors, i prefer to carry 22lr. if i were more worried i would skip 22wmr altogether and move up to 38sp at least.

that said, shot out of a rifle, or loaded in my single six as a “one size fits all” shtf-survival/get home/bugout handgun, 22wmr is great (accurate from the first to followup shots, lighter ammo to carry long distance, some oomph). and i’ve never encountered a squib 22wmr round.

o.p. has made a decent choice in 22wmr.
 
The first defensive revolver used by my family starting in 1989 was a Ruger Single-Six 5.5" using the .22 Mag cylinder. We typically loaded it with the Federal 50 gr JHP. This was primarily a mountain lion gun, with secondary two-legged defense in mind.
 
I really wouldn't even trust a 22 Magnum from a revolver to stop a pit bull or rottweiler, let alone a cougar. I have no desire to ever get in a gunfight but if I did I wouldn't be using 22 Magnum revolver either.
 
Just a thought: Any cartridge can work occasionally. No handgun cartridge works every time. You have to tread the gray area between the two extremes.

Where you are comfortable in there is probably different for a lot of people. I would not count on a 22 WMR but that's me. You have to make your own decision about what you are comfortable with, then live with it.

Dave
 
I think you have more of a chance of being struck by lightning than encountering an aggressive mountain lion. I think you have a much greater chance of encountering a 2 legged dirtbag. In my experience in the wild, 2 legged dirtbags tend to be very humble when it’s realized that you are packing. At least that has been my experience.

I posted this in the other thread about a lion gun in the general handgun section. You stand a better chance of being killed by snake bite, bee sting or lightning strike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America#:~:text=A total of 125 attacks,Children are particularly vulnerable
 
I posted this in the other thread about a lion gun in the general handgun section. You stand a better chance of being killed by snake bite, bee sting or lightning strike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America#:~:text=A total of 125 attacks,Children are particularly vulnerable
The OP is in SD. From what I can find out, the chief wild animal dangers are Bison, Mountain Lion and Black Bear. The bison are the bigger threat - pun intended. Bears are pretty copacetic, mountain lions are more mischievous but evidently bison get downright mean when they feel crowded. I didn’t know that until I looked up what the wildlife threats are in that state.

I’m not convinced anything short of a rifle is going to stop a pissed off bison.
 
I wrote this response in another forum referencing a 22LR the same applies for the 22 magnum....just my 2¢.

Using a 22 lr for self defense is like trying to get republicans and Democrats to go out together for a beer and agree on every topic. IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! Better chance with cats and dogs to drink from the same bowl.

Rimfire calibers like 22 long rifle, or 22 magnum are very lethal calibers. We all know that they can kill and we all know that as a caliber there are a variety of issues that occur when it comes to reliability. From FTF's to FTE's but all the reliability factors can be greatly increased by knowing your capabilities of your firearm and the ballistics of the rimfire cartridge.

Ballistically speaking the problem begins with using standard velocity or subsonic rounds on semi-autos. These rounds may or may not cycle the action, so the solution would be to buy high velocity ammo as these will cycle the action, and by all means avoid bulk ammo because of the duds found in them. Better grade ammo like CCI or Aguila will do great. Using a revolver increases the reliability factor even more than semi auto action because the revolver can fire a greater variety of ammo from standard velocity to sub-sonic to high velocity. If you buy the standard or sub-sonic velocities you can further increase the reliability factor even more now, because you can use premium grade ammo, Like Lapua, Eley, RWS and so on. If you cannot afford premium ammo the revolver still has an advantage in that all you have to do is squeeze the trigger again if you have a dud, try doing that with a semi auto.

I hear about reliability issues with the 22 but who here has not had a reliability issue or read about the issues one has had with their semi auto pistols. How many here have not read about the variety of solutions from cleaning, polishing the ramp, or stove pipes , or send it back to the manufacturer, or use different magazines on centerfire handguns. Guns are mechanical,....they will break. When it comes to a 22 I believe that it is more of a confidence issue at stake than a reliability issue.

There are more pro's than cons when it comes to carrying a 22 lr or 22 magnum vs not carrying one for self defense. There are factors that the shooting sports community as a whole fail to take into consideration when they immediately focus on the negative aspect of the 22 long rifle or magnum round. They fail to realize that the individual may be an elderly person, male or female. They fail to realize that they may have a physical handicap that may limit the use of a larger caliber round, such as arthritis or other debilitating medical conditions. Instead we should inform them of what works in a semi-auto action vs a revolver. Those of you that are young, the day will come where your physical abilities will diminish and can no longer defend yourself physically in hand to hand, or by using a larger caliber revolver.

Lastly, believing that only larger centerfire calibers are better may provide you with a false sense of security thinking that it has "stopping power". In my 37 years of working in a trauma center I saw more deaths from a 22 caliber round than any other caliber and I have witness a small frame woman survive 6 shots from a .357 magnum to the face and head. Seeing this confirms my beliefs, if GOD wills it, the choice of caliber does not matter whether you live or die.

Your 22 magnum revolver is more than adequate for self defense.

I always read about penetration and how it lacks penetration. People also always resort to a gelatin block when it comes to penetration. The truth of the matter is that a slow moving 22 caliber solid round will penetrate just as much as as high velocity hollow point centerfire.

Intrinsically our nature is to respond to a threat using lethal force but not all threats require a central nervous shot to stop the threat. It is about training
" train for what you have." With todays rounds we are light years ahead from 40 years ago.

People forget that archery hunters of days gone by and now bring animals down weighing hundreds of pounds with an arrow, and it really does not have that much muzzle energy. I think of the 22 as a little arrow that can shatter a bone, sever an artery, penetrate and cause a pneumothorax in the lung or stop the heart. Imagine what it will do in the head.
 
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