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22 Magnum vs 17 hmr

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by rugerman07, Sep 17, 2010.

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  1. rugerman07

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    For varmints up to coyotes in size which is really the best? I've heard the 17 HMR is good up to 200 yards while the 22 magnum is only good up to 150 yards. Once and for all, which is the superior round?
     
  2. pikid89

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    the one you can put in the right spot

    or 22 mag cuz its cheaper
     
  3. CB900F

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    I've already voted, with my wallet. I purchased a .22 magnum, and very seriously doubt I'll ever possess anything that's sub-.22.

    900F
     
  4. gofastman

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    i would rather have a .22 Mag, no real good reason to back that up though
     
  5. rugerman07

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    Honestly, I've been leaning more toward the 22 Mag. I already have a Ruger Single Six with dual cylinders (22/lr-22 mag). It needs a good bolt action rifle companion.
     
  6. jimmyraythomason

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    I have a .22 magnum that I have used for 20 years. It is very accurate to ranges of 125 yards and even a little more. If I need anything for longer ranges I will use my .223 Stevens Model 200. I'm sure the .17 is a fantastic round and many folks around here use one but I see no need for one in my future.
     
  7. matrem

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    I'd feel guilty pulling the trigger on a yote at 200 with a .17 HMR or at 150 with a .22 mag.
    If critters are < 10 lbs. .17 gets my vote.
    For an all around rimfire round, easy choice for me.. .22 mag.
     
  8. Ifishsum

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    For smaller varmints up to chucks I really like my .17HMR and it does a great job on those out to 150 or a little more, but that explosive little 17 gr bullet would not be good for a body shot on a coyote IMO, at least not at that range. Between the two, for coyote sized animals I'd much rather have the heavier 40 gr bullet from the .22 mag even if it limits my range a little. Like Jimmyray, past 125-150 I'd use a centerfire anyway.
     
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    i use my 17hmr on almost every pest. not sure i would try to pop a coyote with it though.
    haven't seen too many lurking around my house though.
     
  10. NavyLCDR

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    There is a big issue going on with .17 HMR semi-auto rifles. So if you want a semi-auto, I would go with .22 MAG.
     
  11. Sock Puppet

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    I recently went through the same debate, and there is no definitive answer for everyone. It really depends what your intended use is. I have several relatives with .17HMRs and they are great rifles. At the end of the day, I chose a .22 Mag because it better fit my needs. I really like the flexibility of the 22 Mag considering the ammo choices, and various 30, 33, and 40 grain bullets. I had mine sighted in at 125 yards which helps bring the POI inline with a 17 at 100 yards (generally speaking.) I just changed scopes, so I need to head to the range again.

    My Marlin 983S (I really wanted a tube feed):

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  12. xtriggerman

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    An old guy came in to my shop a few years ago with a Marlin model 57M Levermatic .22mag. The gun had a broken fireing pin that he wanted replaced. He went on to say if he had to choose 1 gun for all his needs, it would be that magnum. This old hiller's family goes way back in these mountains and they have been shooting deer all year long for meat as a regular diet. This ol guy wasnt shy about touting the effectivness of the .22 mag on the many hundreds of deer he's allegedly shot since the early sixties. I have to say, the back of the bolt had the most hammer pean ware Iv ever seen on a used gun. I asked him if he was useing head shots to down the deer and to my surprise, he sayed "a clean chest shot has never failed him"! Now, Im not advocating the use of this "illegal" round on big game but from the ware on the back of that bolt, I bet the old timer wasnt BS'n me. The 22mag sure is a proven all around cartridge. 17 ??
     
  13. alohachris

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    I've never shot either round, but I do have 2 cents and an anecdote.

    I recently treated a .17 HMR gunshot wound. A guy stopped to do something while shooting, leaned his rifle against his hip and it discharged at contact distance. The bullet followed a diagonal trajectory from his hip toward his shoulder through the abdomen. It penetrated about 8 inches and then fragmented terribly. It took us 2 hours to dig all the tiny little pieces out of his belly. He was sitting up talking prior to surgery and recovered fully from his GSW.

    Based on this (not scientific) experience, I don't picture a .17 HMR killing a coyote reliably.
     
  14. Jefferson Herb

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    I like the .22mag: Ammo Choices- 30gr hps of various brands and types,34gr win supreme if you can find it and afford it,40gr fmj,40gr hp,40gr sp,45gr wrf for small game and less destructive,50gr fed hp.
    17 chouces 17gr and 20 gr in a few choices.
     
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    I vote for the 17! I have turned many of black birds into pieces with mine. I will say that the 20gr bullets are also very good at vaporizing black birds up to my longest shot at just 220 yards. What I like about my 17 is the fact that I can put 3 shots in a dime sized group at 100 yards. The CCI 17gr hollow points and the Hornady 20gr hollow points are the only bullets I use now.
     
  16. oldfool

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    seems like yotes are awfully contentious critters vs. gun forum calibers

    my 2 cents (or less)..
    twenty somethin' centerfires kill 'em pretty good, just like they always did
    rimfires are not centerfires
    there is a lot of overlap between WMR and hummer, but both are rimfires, and close misses don't much count w/ either one, and count even less at much over 100 yards

    rifle and/or ammo "dollar for dollar", WMR ain't likely to do groups on paper what 17HMR is most likely to do for you, absent luck of the draw on rifle
    but "pound for pound" of same size critter at same range, WMR hits harder, poly-V or no-V
    either "can do" yotes at 100+ yards, but neither one is 223, 22-250, swift, hornet, etc.
    (and don't hold your breath waiting on the military to switch to rimfire)
     
  17. Jefferson Herb

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    You are correct.I've used 140 ballistic tips in 7mag on yotes,and know of someone who just had a 6.5/7stw built by pacnor,130's at 3500,and dime groups at 100.Replacing his ,264 win mag for 1000yd shots.
    But with ammunition being what it is,I'll use less powder at shorter ranges and save the screemers for when needed - ie 55nbt at 3600 in.22-250
     
  18. 22magman

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    .22 mag definetly, i have two lever actions and three bolt actions, and yes they are right about larger animals... now of course i haven't did this but i have "seen" several whitetail deer stop dead in their tracks with a .22 mag at distances over 120 yards, its all about shot placement... no need for a .17 here....
     
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    I'd prefer the .22 magnum to utilize the heavier bullets. I really like my .22 mag revolver!
     
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    22 Magnum

    I've seen a lot of critters taken with 22 Magnums. The lighter JHP and Ballistic Tips are great on rabbits, groundhogs, etc. The heavier 40 grain lead nose or even a HP is suitable from anything up to a deer, if you can put it where it needs to go.
     
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    This is my Savage 65M in .22 magnum. The action and barrel are fully glass bedded. The scope is a Barska 3x9x42 Ridgeline. It ain't pretty but it consistantly puts 5 shots into one hole @100yds. For longer shots is the Stevens Model 200 in .223 Rem. topped with the Nikon Prostaff 3x9x40. It shoots Prvi Partisan 75 grn match hollow points better than any other bullet I've tried in it.
     
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    I have both, a CZ452 Classic in .22 magnum and a CZ452 American in .17 HMR. If restricted to one I would go with the .22 magnum. The magnum is often used for game up to the size of goats here in Australia, I wouldn't have a problem with using it on Coyotes.
    If I had a .223 then I would probably go with the .17 HMR as the rimfire companion, but restrict it to smaller game.

    The .17 HMR is definitely more accurate than the .22 magnum, doesn't matter what round I load, I get smaller groups off the bench with the .17. But in the end 1/2 minute of angle vs minute of angle doesn't matter for the shots I will be taking. YMMV.
     
  23. Art Eatman

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    I'd prefer something bigger than either cartridge for coyotes. For all that I've pretty much always hit the particular place on an animal that I intended, I don't really want to have to rely on near-perfection to have a clean kill.

    Odds are that I'd not be using either cartridge out beyond 50 or 75 yards on Ol' Wily, just on general principles...
     
  24. CB900F

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    I agree with Art. My dedicated coyote rifle is a 6mm Remington. I use the Hornady 75 grain V-Max bullet exiting the muzzle at around 3100 fps. That combination allows me to effectively put the boogers down at reasonable ranges under less than ideal wind conditions.

    Keep in mind that if you shoot one and don't kill it, you've just educated it. An educated coyote is a very difficult beastie to harvest. I also have no doubt that an educated female will also try to pass on her hard-earned knowledge to any pups. Use enough gun!

    900F
     
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    You must remember in some places unfortunately you are restricted to only use rimfire cartridges for certain situations.

    The 22 mag is by far the better killer of larger critters.

    Last summer I dropped a coyote with a neck shot at 106 yards using Winchesters wonderful Super-X 40gr. JHP load. :D
     
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