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.22 rounds exploding at base

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JoeMal, Jul 11, 2010.

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  1. JoeMal

    JoeMal Member

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    At the range today with my Marlin 60, a Remington Thunderbolt round blew up at the base of the cartridge when I pulled the trigger. The spent cartridge stayed in the barrel, luckily I had some pliers with me so I simply pulled it out.

    This also happened a few weeks ago. I do not remember what kind of ammo I was using the first time. After it happened the first time I quit shooting and went home. I immediately cleaned the rifle, and the next trip to the range was flawless. However, it happened again today so I'm curious as to why it does this? It's been fed maybe 100-150 rounds since the cleaning.

    Is this simply an ammo problem or something more major with my rifle?


    I did shoot more after the incident today without any other problems. Here are some pictures from my crappy camera phone

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  2. highorder

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    Extractor detonated the round while feeding perhaps?...

    I had something similar happen to me a few months back with some rimfire ammo.
    It damaged my rifle and peppered my left hand. In my case, the entire casehead seperated.

    I contacted the manufacturer of the ammo; they sent UPS to collect the case and remaining ammo. After they investigated, we talked and decided on a dollar amount that would make things right. I received a check two weeks later. According to them, a double charge was the likely culprit.

    The ammo? Federal 36 grain 550 bulk-pack from WalMart.

    Federal/ATK treated my very well.
     
  3. NCsmitty

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    It's hard to see, but is the firing pin indent in or near the rupture? It's hard to say if it's ammo or rifle. I've not had any issues with my M60ss.
    Just hang on to that case and watch to see if it happens again, or maybe a call to Marlin to see what they say.


    NCsmitty
     
  4. JoeMal

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    I don't think so for me. This occurred when I actually pulled the trigger.

    I do not have the case anymore, it joined the pile of other spent .22 casing on the ground I had already shot. Maybe I should have held on to this....


    How bad? Did it need repairs?

    As in more than replace the box of ammo? Did they pay you for 'suffering' or something of that sort? Almost like a settlement in a lawsuit? Care to tell how much?
     
  5. rcmodel

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    I would agree that only three or four thngs can cause that.
    1. Too much powder.
    2. Weak defective case rim.
    3. Carbon in the chamber, or crud on the bolt face and barrel shank holding the bolt out of battery.
    4. Check the extractor notch in the barrel shank and make sure it isn't packed full of bullet lube and powder fouling and preventing the bolt from closing all the way.

    Probably the first thing I would do is clean the snot out of the chamber with a new bronze bore brush.
    A Bore-Snake or rod & just patches is a waste of time in this situation.

    rc
     
  6. highorder

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    The round split the wrist of my stock and destroyed my extractor.

    Federal suggested I look for whatever replacement stock and parts I wanted. While they investigated the case and ammunition I sent back to them, I gave them my "cart total" from Midway USA and they happily cut me a check for the total.

    A big +1 to Federal.
     
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    Way way back in my childhood (Boy Scouts), I experience the same thing twice with the same loaner pump .22LR while at a BSA sponsored range. The result was a spray of residue that smacked my face.
    After the 2nd time, the rifle was removed from the line. The owner remarked that this particular rifle was "bad for that", indicating it had done it before. In my case, I think NCsmitty is spot on.
     
  8. BruM

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    in the first PIX it looks like the case bulged at the rear.
     
  9. Slamfire

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    I am going to guess that the rifle fired with the bolt slightly out of battery.

    Your pictures are horrible, to say the best about them, but I think the case head rupture could be due to a tiny amount of case head sticking out of the chamber.

    On a blow back rifle there should be some trigger interruptor to prevent out of battery ignition.

    With a blow back, the inertia of the breech blow keeps the bolt battery as barrel presure drops. These are designed to open up only when the pressure is less than brass rupture strength.

    However, if the case is not properly supported up to the rim, you can expect sidewall rupture.

    That is my best guess based on this Rorschach Ink Blot Test.
     
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  10. 375shooter

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    My grandfather had an old single shot .22 that would occasionally produce a ruptured case, at the rim. Whenever it happened there was very loud report. It was a very long time ago, but I believe it was a headspace problem. The locking lug (bolt handle) was worn where it locks into the receiver recess. I'm not saying your rifle is worn, but maybe it has sloppy tolerances. It would be worth investigating.
     
  11. rcmodel

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    It's a Marlin Model 60 semi-auto.
    Headspace is pretty much self correcting in a blow-back semi-auto.

    Either the cartridge was somehow defective.
    Or something prevented the bolt from closing under recoil spring pressure.
    Or something hit the primer and set it off before the round fully chambered.

    I agree that from what I can see in the crappy pictures, the case is bulged for about 1/8" in front of the blown rim.
    That means it went off before it was all inside the chamber for whatever reason.

    rc
     
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    I had a similar thing happen to me, while shooting some CCI .17HM2 (happened on 3 occasions from same box, final one damaged the rifle). My experience was quite the opposite, CCI did nothing for me and claimed that the problem was that of the rifle, despite half of the box of shells having cracked case mouths strait out of the box. I no longer buy CCI or Speer products; OTOH Federal, Winchester (Olin), Aguila, and Eley treat me well so I continue to purchase their ammo instead...their loss.

    :)
     
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    As someone above pointed out, look for a dent where the firing pin strikes. If you bought the rifle used, it's quite possible some kid (I'm being charitable...) dry fired it enough to destroy the breech face. 22's are usually pretty soft metal since the pressures are low. If you dry fire them enough you can dent/bend the area enough to leave the base of the cartridge unsupported.
     
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    Bought NIB less than 3 months ago. Only dry fires it has is from me forgetting the safety is engaged; probably less than 10 of those
     
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    Very simple. DON'T USE REMINGTON AMMO. It is CRAP, by crap I mean it is some of the worst ammo ever made. Explosions like this are not to uncommon.
     
  18. JoeMal

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    Are you saying in general or with the Remington brand?
     
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    If it were a centerfire, I would vote for excessive headspace.

    You may have accumulated just enough residue on where the rim meets the barrel to cause a headspace problem but not enough to prevent it from firing. That would explain why it worked well after cleaning.
     
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    Shooting out of battery.
     
  21. JoeMal

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    So do you think this is a problem with my spring that isn't shutting the bolt properly? Or what else could be causing this?
     
  22. highorder

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    I vote for crud build-up.

    Something, somewhere didn't allow the round to fully chamber before ignition.
    Scrub, clean, and find the macro setting on the camera. :)
     
  23. JoeMal

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    If you would have read the original post, you would see that it was my camera phone I was using. I was on the range and all I had was my phone. I didn't think to bring the round home. Thanks for your time :cuss:
     
  24. LemmyCaution

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    Clean the extractor recesses in the breech face. They clog up quickly on the M60.

    And stay away from Remington rimfire ammunition. My experience has been that their brass is very brittle (I've had a lot of case necks disintegrate). Additionally, their powder is loaded very inconsistently.

    A heavy powder charge, coupled with brittle brass and an out of battery discharge due to fouled extractor recesses would be a reasonable cause for your symptoms.
     
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    So sorry, my camera phone has a macro setting and it's nearly five years old.

    I also used this guy to suggest tone -> :)

    I'm surprised you didn't keep the case. Whenever anything out of the ordinary happens while I'm shooting, I save the evidence. I'm guessing others here do too.
     
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