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.22 Ruger for self-defense?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by deltastorm11, May 10, 2009.

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  1. deltastorm11

    deltastorm11 Member

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    Ok so i was at the range today and we rented a Ruger 22/45 Mark III Hunter rimfire pistol just to try it out because I never shot a 22. Now personally I shot a 38 special revolver and then the ruger and it almost felt like the ruger had no recoil. Would a gun like this ever be considered for a self-defense gun?


    http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=10120&return=Y
     
  2. GojuBrian

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    A .22 scores about 200/1000 for self defense. No stopping power, unless you're a squirrel.
     
  3. deltastorm11

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    Now that was what I was thinking but then I thought, What if you lay 3 of these into a BG's chest?
     
  4. 22-rimfire

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    It works for self defense as long as you understand the caliber's limitations in whatever platform you are shooting it in.

    I like 22's. I used one as a house gun for years. Didn't even bother with the 357 Python I had for a long time. The biggest point was I always hit what I was shooting at with the 22 and I couldn't say that about a 357 mag at that time.

    Now I use a 38spl for self defense in a revolver. But I still keep a 22 Ruger Mark II loaded at home along with a few others.
     
  5. GojuBrian

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    What if he was on pcp and shoved the ruger in your keister? :)

    But really, a .22 is a bad idea for self defense my friend. Get a 9mm or larger.
     
  6. mattlove444

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    I keep a .40 S&W Sig P239 loaded in my house. Talk about stopping power! Took down a feral hog w/ it at 30 yrds. :)
     
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    1 shot 1kill? How big was the hog? What type round was it? I use a .40 xd myself. :)
     
  8. grimjaw

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    .22LR out of a rifle is a better choice, if you're going to go that route. At least high velocity .22LR hollowpoints will generally maintain decent penetration and expansion when fired from a rifle barrel as opposed to a pistol barrel.

    You also won't be quite as deaf if you fire .22LR from a rifle indoors. That's assuming whoever you're shooting at isn't shooting back with something else.

    jm
     
  9. bdickens

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    .22LR beats .25ACP, but not by much.
     
  10. wtr100

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    I'd take one over a rock or a sharp stick

    not Ideal but if it's what ya had
     
  11. kb2zya

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    better than a sharp pointy stick. hehee pop the bad guy in the face.i use a 12g pump for hd.my wife's goto gun is a 702 mossberg she does not like the big guns:uhoh:
     
  12. 22-rimfire

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    A quick pointing little carbine like the Ruger 10/22 is not that bad a choice as far as I'm concerned.
     
  13. tkopp

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    Just bear in mind -- a .22 is a deadly round, but it is not a very rapidly fatal round. You can miss anything important and have a guy walk away, or you can have him bleed out in 15-20 minutes. Or you can somehow lodge a round in his heart and kill him nearly instantly. The main problem is; what is this walking dead man, whose adrenaline makes him just feel a burning, non-incapacitating pain, going to do to you in his last 5-10 minutes of life?

    It might make him run away. It might not. Without immediate medical care it will probably be fatal at some point. But you're better off with a round that puts your target into shock, something that convinces them to lie down.
     
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    That is true of anything short of a 60 mm mortar shell.

    I don't recall if the following was a story I heard on THR, or if it was from a friend. But apparently, a guy at a range was minding his own business when another fellow had an ND ... putting a 270 Winchester (IIRC) into his chest. Amazingly nothing vital was hit. Apparently, other shooters at the range had to hold the victim back for fear of him beating the snot out of the guy who had the ND. :D

    Moral of the story: If something critical is hit, it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference whether it is a 22 or a 50 BMG. Conversely, if no vital structures are hit and the attacker doesn't simply "wimp out", it doesn't make much difference either.

    Their are two big problems with a 22 though for SD: It is a rimfire cartridge, so FTFs are a relatively common fact of life in my experience. And second, penetration can by a very iffy thing, so even if you precisely place the shot, it may not go deep enough to have an effect on a determined opponent.

    But for those who have extreme recoil sensitivity, or who cannot afford to buy anything else, it certainly beats the TV remote on the nightstand.
     
  15. Deltaboy

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    Indians in the great white North kill Moose with them.
     
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    if you have enough capacity and you can shoot it fast enough.....
     
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    People slaughter cattle and pigs with 22LR all the time.

    I know some Native Americans in Canada kill Moose with them, as metioned above

    BUT...the technique for slaughter is to shoot them between the eyes at close range. I have talked with some Native Americans (and yes, that term works for Canadian Indigenous people as well...they native the the contient of North America) who hunt moose by canoe, and ambush the moose while it is swimming, so again, close range shots. (Prior to firearms, they would actaully drown the moose by holding it's head underwater)

    For defense? No one likes to get shot. However, again as mentioned above, the 22LR has the habit of inflicting a wound that causes the person to die 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 2 hours later, but allows them to stay up and fighting for a few minutes after being shot.

    So no, not a good defensive option.

    You truely want zero recoil in a defensive gun? The best I think you are going to come up with is a 9mm carbine (like the beretta storm carbine) A carbine will way 4 or 5 times as much as a handgun, so that will really absorb any 'kick'

    It just doesn't store in the nightstand drawer as well.

    Unfortunately, for firearms, EVERYTHING is a comprimise...power, kick, ease of use, concealability, accuracy, ease of storage, capacity, balance, etc etc.
     
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    i Carry a p-22 Walther as well as a snub 357 depending on mood, i can put 8 out of 10 shots with .22 in center mass in a hurry after drawing, 2 or 3 if i am lucky with the 357 but 1 is all the 357 needs if i am against a single attacker
     
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    22's are great. The wife and I both carry one. Besides unless you stocked up on ammo prior to the MADNESS you can't get anything but high end 22 anyhow, at least we can't. I think practice and quality ammo like CCI is WAY more important than caliber. X
     
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    I wouldn't depend on a .22 for defense.
     
  21. outerlimit

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    Sure, but there are better options.
     
  22. FlyinBryan

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    i carry a 1911 commander sized pistol in 45acp with 230 federal hydrashoks.

    every single time i step out of my house, its on my side.

    i also have a little browning 22 auto pistol thats extremely reliable, and more accurate than my 45.

    if i were to be without my 45, i would find great comfort with my browning on my side.

    i you have a good reliable 22, and some fellows plans for the evening include assaulting you, then going to dinner, and you are capable of breaking leather intime to argue your case, his dates gonna really be mad.

    its simple physics really.

    if you poke holes in his important parts, hes gonna have a rough time (probably just a few seconds is all hes gonna have)

    of course, one in the noggin and its lights out. even a grazing blow to the noodle is gonna be like getting hit in the head with a ball peen hammer, and of course, a square hit upstairs and nighty night.
     
  23. mordechaianiliewicz

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    Well, I was just talking to a friend about this. I took her shooting, and of course started her on a .22 pistol. She wondered about it for self defense. I'll tell you the same thing I told her.

    I don't recommend it. It's better than nothing, but it's a far cry from a real self defense pistol. I suggest 9mm or larger.

    If you decide to go with it, couple of suggestions.

    1.) Load it with hollowpoints.

    2.) Train to make multiple shots to the brain.

    Outside of a head shot that penetrates the brain pan, rarely will a .22 stop a person quickly enough in the gravest extreme. If a perp doesn't get medical treatment in time, he is likely a dead man (and .22 bullets are really hard to find in the body compared to some other rounds, cause they often deflect away from their entry points, and are pretty small).

    His dying hours, or a full day later won't be much comfort to you though if he already killed you.
     
  24. ScareyH22A

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    First of all, .22LR's are not really reliable.
    Second, why use a .22 if you can use a common 9 or better?
     
  25. FlyinBryan

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    not true.

    many are as reliable as any other caliber firearm.

    try a browning.


    no question there are better calibers for defense, also no question there are worse circumstances than being targeted while carrying a .22, like being targeted while carrying nothing
     
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