.22 Short Damage

[infuriatednoodle]

I wasn't really sure where to put this thread, but anyhoo. Where I live, we have pesky deer flooding our yard in the summer time. Usually I give them a little persuasion with my BB gun and they don't come back for awhile. Unfortunately, the BB gun broke and all I'm left with are .22 CCI CB Shorts. This may be a stupid question, but what kind of damage would one of those flying at >700 FPS do to a non vital part of the deer (at approx. 50-75 yards)? I have no intention of killing it or seriously injuring it, since I always save that until hunting season

 

[Zanad]

I wouldn't. even the ,22 short is powerful enough to kill a person.


I consider it a .22lr @ 100 yards.

cartridges of the world listed this info(from Wikipedia)

27 gr (1.7 g) RN 1,164 ft/s (355 m/s) 81 ft·lbf (110 J)
29 gr (1.9 g) RN 830 ft/s (250 m/s) 44 ft·lbf (60 J)
29 gr (1.9 g) RN 1,132 ft/s (345 m/s) 140 ft·lbf (190 J)

 

[M-Cameron]

I have no intention of killing it or seriously injuring it,

well....youd better not shoot at it then......even a .22 short will kill/ seriously injure an animal.

is it likely that its going to kill the deer with a non-vital hit.....probably not.......but it will penetrate and it is cruel and inhuman.

ide put out some wolf urine and some deer netting.

 

[wankerjake]

I'd bet they would penetrate the hide. I've seen plenty of rabbits, squirrels and skunks killed with shorts. Go buy a new pellet gun, or get a sling shot. Sling shot would be fun I think

 

[matrem]

CBs travel roughly the same speed as a fast Daisy or Crossman.
But the projectile is 5 times HEAVIER!
Not Good!

 

[rodensouth]

It will likely penetrate and could cause prolonged pain at site, possibly infection that may not clear up. If you slipped and hit chest or abdomen it could kill.

I've had them pass through squirrels. Probably not best idea judging by your desired effect IMHO.

 

[kingpin008]

Depending on where you live, you'd also want to check and make sure that you're legally allowed to discharge a firearm on your property.

 

[Fred in Wisc]

My favorite for this scenario is a slingshot and a box of paint balls. Legal to use just about everywhere. Challenging. Silent. It stings but does no permanent damage. And a satisfying colored spot appears on the deer when you are successful.

 

[22-rimfire]

Get another BB gun and one that is not real powerful at that. Slingshot works well too and sufficiently accurate.

You could kill a deer (probably slowly) with a 22 CB Short.

 

[armoredman]

Paintball gun

 

[Shadow 7D]

http://www.paintballsentry.com/
Here's what you need, if you really want to keep the damn overgrown rats away, but it'll get about anything that moves in it's area.

Don't think you can embed video,
so here is a Youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QcfZGDvHU8

 

[goon]

What's so bad about deer in your yard? The OP doesn't say anything about them eating shrubs or crops.
If they're not causing any harm, why not let them alone?

If they are damaging something, I agree with the paintball gun or slingshot/paintball options.

 

[bigfatdave]

You do not employ deadly force against an animal unless you intend to dispatch it.

And doing it as a stopgap because your former hare-brained plan of using a BB gun for the job is just foolishly lazy.

Paintball
Airsoft
Noisemakers
Blanks
... ... hell, plant something thorny

But using a real firearm on something alive just because you want it to go away is not acceptable, and it either shows a woeful ignorance of the energy levels developed by even the most humble of firearms or of the energy required to cause damage to flesh

 

[Shadow 7D]

Most state have a 'harassment of wildlife' statue on the books, which means you can be prosecuted. But running off a 'dangerous animal' is fine, mostly it's used for people shooting game with BB guns etc. BTW, deer are dangerous, have you seen what one can do, NASTY wounds, the hooves are practically blades.

 

[Mike J]

I have had some strays that kept coming back to my yard after I had run them off multiple times. One good hit with a slingshot & they don't come back. They might be a little bruised & sore but there is no penetration so the wound wont get infected & cause serious harm. A wristrocket & a bag of marbles doesn't cost much.

 

[hawkass13]

Firecrackers would probably work. It might also make for some funny pictures if you have a good camera.

 

[hso]

i wouldn't

 

[Frozen North]

A .22 short will kill stuff just fine. My choice of non lethal harassment for dogs and deer is a paint ball gun. It is pretty cool to see marked deer running around too, people really wonder what is on them. Dog owners get the hint real quickly when their pooch comes home with spots.

An electric fence wire around the problem area (gardens and whatnot) work wonders too.

 

[Taurus 66]

but what kind of damage would one of those flying at >700 FPS do to a non vital part of the deer (at approx. 50-75 yards)?

At that range your bullet would still be close to (or over) 1,000 FPS. My question is this: "How could you know 100% for certain the shot you take is non-lethal to the deer? What happens if that small projectile deflects off bone and ends up in an organ? The animal could suffer for a long time."

.22 LRs (and shorts) are very nasty!

If you're not hunting that deer, could you look into finding some better way of repelling it from your property?

 

[BK]

I've got an old mule deer hide from years ago. I'd test this out, but I don't have any short ammo. I think this sort of thing can be easily tested on a range of target medium. I suppose barrel length is going to be a factor no matter what. I've heard some tell of the bullet from a short round getting stuck inside a long rifle barrel. If that's true, a rifle barrel isn't necessarily going to give you max velocity.

 

[LibShooter]

I have no intention of killing it or seriously injuring it, since I always save that until hunting season...

Regardless of your intentions, I'm pretty sure that pointing a firearm at a wild creature and pulling the trigger is the legal definition of hunting. If it's not hunting season it's probably illegal.

 

[infuriatednoodle]

I thank some of you for your straight forward responses. However I am not asking for ridicule and such, just a straight answer. No, I am not ignorant of the power of firearms, I have been around them all of my life and I have a great understanding of what they can do. However, I do not know much about the .22 short cartridge and therefore, I am just asking a simple question that requires a simple answer.

 

[HankB]

Even a .22 Colibri has the potential to kill a deer, so a .22 short will certainly do it. (I do NOT advocate hunting deer with either!)

Most air rifles sold today will penetrate a deer's hide and cause a nasty and painful wound, so I would suggest an air pistol to chase them off; the pellet will sting, but not penetrate. (Usual disclaimer: Of course, I don't know if this would break a local law where you live, so don't consider this a suggestion that you do so.)

 

[mgkdrgn]

I do believe that the Israeli's used 22 shorts for close range assignation. Contact shot to the head ... penetrates into the skull, but not enough umph to get back out, so it just rattles around for a bit.

 

[grampster]

No on the .22 short. Paint ball from a sling shot sounds about right. Maybe a large water balloon launcher would do the job.