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.22 sub sonic squirrels

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by blackbearaddict, Mar 25, 2009.

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  1. blackbearaddict

    blackbearaddict Member

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    i am replacing my pellet gun with a .22 for squirrels.
    - is 581fps in .22 40 grain enough to take down one of these critters?
    thanks wacker
     
  2. oklahoma caveman

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    a red rider bb gun can be enough if the shot placement is dead on, but yes that will do the trick, just aim for a head shot because you wnt get much/any expansion at that velocity
     
  3. a-sheepdog

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    I have used subsonic in my suppressed ruger 77/22 and it has worked well. I think that the CCI subsonics are going around 800-900 FPS.
     
  4. blackbearaddict

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    im going to use CCI(0038) probably which at a hundred yards thats the velocity
    - these shells leave just a tick when shot out of my rifle and im going to be on my :cuss: neighboors property so i dont want to have him in a hissy fit
    -i have some other bigger subsonics which like you said run around 1000fps that i might use
    thanks again , addict
     
  5. Timmer

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    been shooting shorts in my backyard. very quiet and killed a tree rat from about 15 feet the other day. good head shot ear through ear.
     
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    I put a lot of remington's subsonic through my 10/22; and have knocked off a coyote at 108 yards with a headshot (i later used a rangefinder to see the exact distance). The most important element is knowing the trajectory, so you hold over the right amount - at 110 there's about a 2'-6" drop from where i keep my zero. I bought a lot of it in bulk a while back; but have noticed that about 3 out of 100 are duds, and on occasion a round breaks the sound barrier.
     
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    I hope that this hissy fit your worried about is only concerning noise and not the fact that your shooting on his property without his knowledge or consent.
     
  9. rangerruck

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    it will do it , easy.
     
  10. scythefwd

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    I think that the CCI subsonics are going around 800-900 FPS.

    Why do they call them subsonics? I thought the sound barrier hovered at approx. 750 fps, which would make any 900 fps round supersonic. Does the shape of the bullet have that much affect? I remember my grandfather shooting subsonics, but they really just sounded like air leaking out of a tire. Are the 900fps subs. doing that as well or is there a small crack?
     
  11. Sagetown

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    I'm new at this sub-sonic thing myself, but seems I read that a velocity of less than 1100 ft per second was sub-sonic speed. They don't produce the sharp crack that the high-velocity cartridges produce.

    I've bought some and they are very accurate on paper. Now it's just a matter of waiting until squirrel season opens, and I'll give'em a tryout. The CCI Subs showed a 1077fps with a 39.8gr bullet. Probably the reason for faster speed.
    These RWS are pretty slow at 991fps with a little heavier 40.3 gr bullet .
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  12. Gunfighter123

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    For tree rats , I use CCI .22CBs -- I never chronoed them but they are about 600 or 700fps --- they make a minor "crack" when fired but it really don't sound loud at all .

    I never had these exit on a TRs body from any angle but with side head shots they can go right thru so WATCH YOUR BACKSTOP.
     
  13. IndianaBoy

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    You need to reconsider hunting on someone else's property without their permission or knowledge.

    It is illegal.

    It is rude.

    It is dangerous.

    Shall I continue?
     
  14. Dr.Rob

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    Know for a fact a .22 subsonic short from a Marlin 39 will kill a tree rat at 20 yards. Put the cross hairs on his lil shiny nose and squeeze.
     
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    scythefwd.... I believe the speed of sound is somewhere around 1050 FPS and about 720 mph IIRC.

    But I have been told it can vary due to altitude and weather.
     
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    Since the popularity increase of CB caps, I wish there were terms we could use here other than 'subsonic.'

    To me and many other rimfire addicts, subsonic rounds have generally been used to refer to ammo in the 1000 to 1050 fps range with long rifle bullets (36 to 40 grains). Almost all target ammo fits in the catagory, as does some specialized hunting ammo (Ely subsonic hollow points, Lapua subsonic hollow points, Remington subsonic hollow points, etc). This ammo is quiet and extremely effective on small game right out to 100 yards or so, even with body shots.

    The CB type ammo (29 grain bullets at 600 to 800 fps, even less if you look at some of the Aguilla stuff) is in a whole differenct catagory. Not even close to the previously mentioned stuff. Yes, it is subsonic but I wish we could just call them CBs instead. The bullets are lighter and they rarely, if ever, come with hollow points. They are much less effective on game. Will they work? Yep, but the ranges need to be much closer and the shots must be placed much better. While the subsonic 40 grain loads at 1000 to 1050 fps are among the most accurate rimfire loads ever made, the CBs rarely even come close.

    Both have there place in the rimfire world. I shoot a huge number of both, but they are not even comparible other than the fact they are quieter than high velocity long rifles.

    So I think it would be less confusing to call the quiet, accurate and effective 40 grain 1000 - 1050 long rifle stuff normal "subsonics", and the puny CB stuff "CBs."
     
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    Have taken four tree rats so far with Super Colibris (primer-only rounds) out of a S&W 63 kit gun...So your load should be sufficient.

    As another poster noted, I'd be leery about shooting unwelcomed on another person's property...But that's your call...
     
  18. rangerruck

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    dont forget colibris are about 400 fps, and supers are about 600 fps.
    then i would say cci cb shorts are the next fastest. all 3 can be fired in your backyard though; they are not very loud, and will not penetrate a wood fence.
     
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    CCI green-tag

    I've had great experience squirrel hunting with CCI Green Tags. I used them in a 10/22-T. They're not advertised as "sub-sonic" but I believe that in almost all "average" conditions they behave as such. I would place them in the "upper velocity" group of sub-sonic long-rifle ammo.
     
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    If your gun has a fast enough twist you should try the aguilla SSS you get a 60 grain bullet!
     
  21. Eb1

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    shorts and sub sonics are the way to go for squirrel hunting. they are quite, and pack a whop! the sound of them hitting the animal is louder than the shot. being slow the bullet dumps major energy into the animal. can't be beat.
     
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    Remington has brought back their CBee rounds. 33gr Truncated cone HP bullet with cross-hair scores on the face of the bullet. 740fps according to the box. I bought two boxes, 100rds/box and price was $9.99 at a local hardware. I havnt had a chance to shoot any yet, reports are they are a bit louder than the CCI CB's but tend to be a bit more accurate.

    Ive taken a few red squirrels and many pest birds at 25 yards with a 600fps .177 break barrel air rifle. A whopping 7.5gr pellet at that. 33gr at 740fps should take up to a woodchuck at 25 yards. Smaller animals at longer distances, but I would imagine accuracy drops off after 25 yards. Gotta test them, tomorrow is gonna be a range day :D
     
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    Yep; don't even waste your money if you don't have the right set-up. I still have a half-a-box of'em left. They tumble, and do all kinds of crazy stuff.
     
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    c-grunt,
    Thanks for jogging the old brain box. I was thinking 750 mph, not fps. Thanks.
     
  25. husker

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    what about the 60+ grain on the short brass aguilla think its called but not for sure. and where do i find this ammo EDIT ok i see the post above me now but where is a good place to find this ammo
     
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