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.223 AK other than Saiga?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Orion8472, Sep 24, 2009.

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  1. Orion8472

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    Is there an ak chambered in .223 other than those Saiga rifles?
     
  2. nalioth

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    Sure.

    The Romanians have been exporting them for over a decade. The Sar-3 was imported briefly a few years ago, and today the WASR-3 is available.

    You also have the very overpriced Arsenal offerings. . . ( May I suggest you do your research prior to buying one ).

    Sorry folks, but I don't consider the Galil to be an AK, and even if I did, I'd not recommend it.
     
  3. briansmithwins

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    Arsenal SLR106FR.

    Very nice rifles that will run right out of the box. BSW

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  4. Orion8472

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    The Arsenal looks very good. :)

    I'll have to check it out and the WASR-3.

    Thanks guys!
     
  5. GunTech

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    I love my Golani. The first one I got had the out of spec receiver, but it was immediately replaced and the current rifle has had thousands of rounds through it with no problem. I did have to modify the receiver to accept the M16 mag adapter, and Galil mags are expensive and usually in only fair condition. Orlites are readily available and work fine, as well as being relatively cheap.

    I need to put in a better trigger, but that is really my only complaint. And AK variant that can use M16 magazines. What's not to like?

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  6. nalioth

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    The extra 4 pounds? :neener:

    The odds of getting a US made doorstop?

    The ability to accept M16/AR15 mags isn't limited to Galils, any more. There are at least two vendors producing adapters for any ol' .223 Kalashnikov.
     
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    I have a SAR-3 and think well of it.

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    The milled receiver does make for a heavy rifle. Is Century still having problems?

    I'll look up the M16 mag adapter for the AK. That's a compelling add on for someone like me who has over 100 M16 magazines.
     
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    Cripes! $110 to $150 for the M16 mag adapter.
     
  11. atblis

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    The Vepr was offered in 223. Not around anymore but they were pretty nice. If you can get your hands on one at a decent price...
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  12. Ian

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    There are also Yugo AKs in .223, the model 95s, with underfolding stocks. I don't know how many have been commercially sold, but the parts kits are out there.
     
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    Until the Pmags came out I wouldn't want an AK that would use AR mags. Why cripple the AK with the flimsy, often broken AR mag?

    Pmags, OTOH, approach AK mags in durability.

    BSW
     
  14. Jeremy2171

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    I've got two of the Yugo M90/M95s and they are awesome.

    One is a standard folder and the other is built as a fixed stock. Get one if you can.....

    (not mine.....pic lifted from GB)

    I'll try and get some of mine soon.

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  15. nalioth

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    To my knowledge, ZERO.

    The parts kits are indeed "out there". They are under the beds and in the closets of some very wise folks, waiting to be built, or already built.

    They're not something you're gonna be able to buy today (unless money is no object).
     
  16. 9mmepiphany

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    would it make more sense to go with a AK action that was built with the 5.56x45mm rounds in mind like the:

    1. Valmet
    2. Galil
    3. Sig 556
     
  17. Isher

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    Extra, Extra, read all about it..........

    CZ should have a VZ 58 in .223 out by the end of this year.

    Now, in case you are wondering what the hell

    A VZ 58 is, it is a Czech carbine which purely kicks the snot

    Out of the AK/AR/Saiga variants.

    The only one I will tip my hat to is the FAL.

    Yes, I do know that these will be fighting words for many.

    Go shoot one, a VZ, I mean.


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    i think the CZ would be at the head of the class too and with their track record of quality...this should be a winner

    now if i could just get a blocked in 10 round mag model for CA...it already has a built in guide for the stripper clips
     
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    Nobody will argue that the Valmet is the King of the Kalashnikovs.

    The Galil is twice removed from Mr. Kalashnikovs grand design (it's based on the Valmet, not an AK). They're okay, if you can find one that was made in Israel.

    The Sig 556 isn't an AK at all.
     
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    really?...that isn't what they said at the SHOT Show

    they called it the ultimate evolution of the AK
     
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    The Tantal, and the Valmet, I believe, are 223.
     
  22. GunTech

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    The Sig 556 uses a variation of the basic AK internals, as does the FNC.

    The Valmet is sweet, and the first Galils were actually made by Valmet. The Century Golanis are made from Israeli parts and US receivers and a few other bit to make them 922r compliant.

    There were some serious issues with the early batches that had out of spec receiver. My first one couldn't fire two rounds in a row without a jam. I returned that rifle, and Century replaced it with a new one that has run like a champ since then. I've been pleased with the gun, but it does make for a heavy 223. On the other hand, it's taken some rough handling, and the folding stock is one of the toughest I've run into - it's a variation of the FAL paratrooper. It also has a LOP that fits normal American. J&G has them for $600.

    I have to admit that some of the AK's posted have really caught my eye. Give me one with an M16 adapter, rear peep and Galil style grip and fore end and I'd be extremely happy. Just mill off that AK rear sight.

    YMMV.
     
  23. maksim

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    love my original vepr in a 223.
     
  24. 9mmepiphany

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    the FNC...of "Heat" fame

    i knew there was one i was forgetting...i used to get it confused with the CAL
     
  25. nalioth

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    . . and you believed your car salesman when he told you that Chevette you were looking at corners and accelerates just like a Corvette, too, right?

    Sales people will tell you ANYthing to make a sale. The Sig 556 utilizes known principles from many well seasoned firearms designs, but it is not an AK.

    The Tantal is chambered in 5.45x39.

    You are confusing it with it's successor, the Polish Wz96 or "Beryl" that is currently in use with the Polish military and chambered in 5.56x45.

    The Wz96 "Beryl" at Wikipedia
    The Wz96 "Beryl" at Kalashnikov.guns.ru
     
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