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.223 bolt guns and heavy bullets?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by dogsoldier0513, Jul 2, 2012.

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  1. dogsoldier0513

    dogsoldier0513 Member

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    Which factory .223 bolt guns will handle 75 gr. bullets accurately out to 400+ yards?
     
  2. meanmrmustard

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    Tikka T3 with 1-8 twist should do.:)
     
  3. TonyAngel

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    Anything with a 1 in 8 or faster twist should do. Some 1 in 9s will do it, but that's more of a craps shoot.
     
  4. MrDig

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    I have a Mossberg MVP that has a 1-9 twist and it does not like to shoot over 55 gr rounds. 52 gr actually shoots best.
     
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    I believe that Savage has an ultra light rifle that has a 1/7 twist...that would be a nice rifle.
     
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    My Savage 12 with a 1-9 twist shoots 75gr BTHP match bullets excellent,but the groups will open up when shooting the longer 75gr AMax bullets.The AMax's shoot better with a 1-8 twist barrel.
     
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    My Savage 12FV 1:9 loves 75gr bullets.
     
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    This data is a little old but may give you some leads. Many of the newer makers are not listed.

    223 Remington - 1 in 7" . . . . . . .Colt; Ruger Mini-14; Eagle Arms Eagle Eye;
    H&K SL8
    223 Remington - 1 in 8" . . . . . . .Eagle Arms Golden Eagle, Armalite
    223 Remington - 1 in 9" . . . . . . .Colt; Win. 70 HBV; Savage 110, 112, 116; Steyr
    Aug-SA; Eagle Arms standard models; Savage;
    Winchester 70
    223 Remington - 1 in 10" . . . . . .Ruger Mini-14 & #1
    223 Remington - 1 in 12" . . . . . .Colt Bolt Action, AR-15; Remington 760, 700,
    788, 7; H&R; Sako; Savage 340; Winchester
    70; Thompson/Center Contender, Encore and
    Rifle; Ruger # 1, 77; NEA Handi-Rifle, Howa; CZ
    223 Remington - 1 in 14" . . . . . .Remington 40-XB; Husqvarna; Savage 24-F+V,
    340; Wichita;Weatherby Vanguard; Cooper
     
  9. dogsoldier0513

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    Thanks, guys.
     
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    I would get a stevens and send it to er shaw to get a stainless 1 in 7 twist magnum contour put on it.
     
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    +1 for the Tikka.
     
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    That would alarm me. A 1:9 twist should not have any problems with rounds up to 62 grs, and most should be able to handle up to 69 gr without a problem.
     
  13. TonyAngel

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    These sorts of threads are often discussed in generalities, but can sometimes get to be a bit misleading when talking specifics.

    I think that anyone that has owned and really shot more than a few rifles can agree that each barrel has tastes of its own and you really can't predict what it's going to shoot best. All you can do is make a guess based on what is usually true, until you put it on paper.

    I've seen 1:9 barrels that shot 77s exceptionally well. I've seen 1:7s that really had a preference for 52 and 55gr bullets, out to limits of the bullet. I have a .308 bolt gun with a 1:10 twist that shoots 168s better than 175 out to about 400 yards or so. From 400 to 600, I could go either way. Beyond 600, the 175s start to show a real advantage, as they should.

    For the guy with the Mossberg that shoots 52s and 55s better, I'd have to ask at what distance he did his testing. If he limited his testing to 100 yards, I'd suggest that he try the heavier bullets at longer ranges and see what his results are.

    If you really want to get confused, go over the Berger Bullets' website and take a look at their recommended twist rates are for their bullets. They have a 73gr boat tail bullet that they say they recommend a 1:9 twist for.

    The only point I'm making is that this subject is not necessarily a precise science.
     
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    The guy with the Mossberg is me and you are correct, I was shooting at about 100 yards. I will try it with 62 gr at longer ranges thanks for the tip.
    It sure is accurate out to a little over 150 maybe out to 200 with those 55gr though.
     
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    Tikka without a doubt. GREAT guns for what they cost, I hope to be buying another one very soon to add to my collection and a good 223 is on my A list as well.
     
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    I had a Ruger M77 that would shoot up to a 62gr pretty well, despite only being a 1-12 twist.

    My advice would be to avoid getting stuck on one specific bullet type or weight- especially if you are making those choices based on published bullet stats.

    Get yourself something with a 1-9 or 1-8 twist, and try shooting a wide range of bullet weights.
     
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    MrDig, unless you need to shoot beyond 200 yards or so, I wouldn't tear my hair out. The Sierra 52gr hollow point is an excellent short range bullet. I got into shooting 77s when they got to be all the rage and everyone wanted to be a sniper, but you really don't NEED them, unless you are into pushing the limits of the .223.

    A lot of guys I know that shoot some form of .223 competition at shorter ranges shoot the 52gr HPs. They work very well and are cheaper. They also work very well with ball powder.
     
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    I agree 100%, I've owned 5 223 rifles all with 1/9 twist all gave me best groups with 52gr match normally Sierra or Berger and I'm good out to 300yards, what I see is a trend to push the 223 out beyond its limits which is OK but unnecessary IMO when a 243 will give the bullet weights of 75 up if desired.
     
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