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.223 REm versus 22-250

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Auburn1992, Mar 23, 2008.

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  1. Auburn1992

    Auburn1992 Member

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    How fast will each burn out the barrel?

    What are the velocities of each?

    Accuracy & Range?

    And which would be better when shooting 300+ yards?
     
  2. Ridgerunner665

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    22-250 is better past 300 yards, but it will also burn out barrels faster. 22-250 is faster than 223 by about 200 - 400 fps. Both can be exceptionally accurate.
     
  3. rangerruck

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    depends on how fast you fire between rounds.
    the 22.250 is generally 300 to 400 fps faster than the 223.
    it is way more expensive.
    the 22.250 is way flatter, once you start passing 300 yds.
     
  4. bensdad

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    I've got one .22-250 and two .223s.

    Barrel burn-out? Some say as few as 1200 rounds with the .22-250. I don't know. Mine's about half-way there and still shoots fine. I thinks it's a result of chamber preasure, not muzzle velocity, but I could be wrong. Regardless, the .223 rifling should last longer.

    Accuracy? It doesn't matter. My .223s are both a little more accurate than my .22-250. Others have more accurate .22-250s. The .22-250 shoots faster and flatter. That's different than "more accurate."

    Past 300 yds? Enough practice with either will render this question meaningless. I suppose the .22-250 shoots a little flatter and hits a little harder. Learn the right holdover and you're good-to-go, regardless of which you choose. I've seen folks who keep a little chart taped directly to their gun that shows the holdover at various distances with their round of choice.
     
  5. BackCountry

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    I put 3,000 - 4,000 rounds through my .223 a year and haven't burned out a barrel yet. Still producing 1 MOA groups. Either cartridge makes for a good varmint/predator control round. If you are not loading your own, the .223 is substantially cheaper. While the .22-250 is a faster round, I don't typically shoot coyotes or prairie dogs past 400 yards.
     
  6. skinewmexico

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    Admit it..........who among us hasn't dreamed of actually burning out a barrel? How cool would it be to shoot that much?
     
  7. Auburn1992

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    Where would I be able to find a replacement barrel?
     
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    Replacement barrels are readily available. You could google it, or check with any of the shooting suppliers like brownells, midway, etc. Or you could check with your local gunsmith.

    Depending on what you are doing, there isn't a hill-o-beans worth of difference between the two cartridges. They are both plenty accurate, plenty flat, and plenty effective. There are very few instances where 99.9% of shooters would need one over the other.

    My advice is to buy whichever is the best deal, or whichever suits your fancy the most. In a year or two, buy the other. :)
     
  9. LongRangeInternational

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    The 22-250 will take less guess work and make you look good. On prairie dog shoots in Wyoming, I have seen time and time again out of state shooters learn there is a world of difference between the two calibers in practical application.
     
  10. MachIVshooter

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    And then enter the .220 Swift :D

    .223 is good to ~350 yards
    .22-250, ~550 yards
    .220 swift ~700 yards

    Beyond that, you're talking wildcats like the 6.5mm-06 AI to score hits consistently. I've drilled praire rats as far as 780 yards with my .220, but it was about 6 rounds fired per hit at such extreme ranges.
     
  11. LongRangeInternational

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    I consider the .220 about 50-maybe 75 yards better than the 22-250 and definitely not good past 500 yards on a prairie rat. What bullet weight were you using, MachIV?
     
  12. MachIVshooter

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    55 gr. Moly-Coated V-max's over 44 grains of H414 for 3950 FPS.

    Rifle is a Ruger M77 varmint with a Nikon Monarch 6.5-20x. Average 5-shot 200 yard group is 1.56" (I got lucky with this rifle:D)

    The kills aren't very spectacular beyond 500, but it does put them down.

    My hit ratio is nearly 100% inside of 250 yards, about 40% at 500 and around 15% at the maximum ranges. Of course, a very hot or windy day adversely affects those numbers.
     
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    I'm pretty deadly on p-dogs inside of 350 yards using a high end Leupold 6-5-20x varmint reticle but after that, I have to add luck into the mix.

    We've got 50K acres, looking forward to this spring's crop of prairie rats.
     
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    I found the UFCH reticle on the Nikon to be finer than the Leupold. Normally, I do go for the gold ring.

    If I'm in an area where all shots will be 300 yards or less, I usually use my 700 LVSF .17 Rem. The super light recoil makes it possible to see everything through the Weaver 4-16x 42mm UFCH scope. But those little 20 and 25 grain bullets run out of steam beyond 300, and the explosive effect pretty much disappears at 200 yards, even with a MV of 4,245 FPS.

    Lucky. We've got about 4 places not too far away, but most are only a couple hundred acres. We rotate, with 3 or 4 shooters usually killing about 60-80 rats in a day. since we go about every other week, that gives the little buggers 6 weeks to recouperate.

    We get lots of cottontails, too. I've found that a well placed neck shot with the .17 gives an almost surgical decapitation reliably.:evil:
     
  15. Wildfire

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    Depends.

    Hey there:
    I use the .223 in a Rem. 700 PSS and a 700 VS. These are both extremely accutate rifles . They have had thousands of rounds put down there tubes and still both are clover leaf guns at 100. Scopes are made with adjustments and that is what they are there for. So Range is not an issue. If you are asking about which one is flatter the 22-250 is. And many are very accurate.
    But if just accuarcy is the question then the .223 wins. Less recoil and bang.
    So they are easier to shoot accurately.
    I too shoot P-dogs and have some very long range kills with the .223. 726 yards. 723 yards (2). and so on. With no wind and some range time I can usually make good hits at 500 most of the time. These are heavy rifles and extremely light triggers. The scopes repeat themselves very well. You must keep in mind that the rounds are all hand loaded and one at a time.
    They fit the chambers exact. I am an accuracy nut. This is not to say that there are not very accurate 22-250s out there. There are. If you do not want to make scope adjustments the 22-250 is a better round at longer ranges. If you do not mind turning the turrets, the .223 can be just as good even at extended ranges. The 22-250 has more power. Proper care of that barrel and you should not have a burnout issue. Fast shooting and barrel heat will shorten the barrel life.
     
  16. Auburn1992

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    I've been partial to the .223 as of now due to ammunition costs and because I don't want to burn out the barrel of a rifle shooting those .22-250 rounds. Anyhow, talking about how many acres we have, I am moving to a place with 12 acres! There are no going to be many prairie dogs, due to the fact it is in Tennessee, but we have spotted yote markings. To the gun, I've been thinking of a Remington XR-100 Rangemaster or a Savage 12 BVSS. It's really tearing me up which one to get!
     
  17. Wildfire

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    Rem.

    Hey there:
    I'm a Remignton shooter . You will never be sorry.
    I have try'd the new Accu trigger and it is OK but , still not a Remington.
    Some of the new Savage rifles are accurate. But still not a Remington.:)
     
  18. Auburn1992

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    Ha Wildfire I like your thinking
     
  19. skinewmexico

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    2 of the top 3, and 3 of the top 5 rifles at the F Class F/TR Nationals were factory Savages. And still not a Remington. If you get a Savage, you can shoot the barrel out, and replace it in your garage in 20-30 minutes. A pre-fit replacement in about any caliber will run you $275 - $350 from Shilen, Pac-nor, McGowen, Lothar Walther, or ER Shaw.
     
  20. Auburn1992

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    The Savage F/TR is just too expensive for me, that's why I am looking for mainly cheaper varmint guns
     
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    I agree .

    Hey there:
    I agree with you that the Savage has been taking the bench shoots "lately".
    But this was not the case in the past. When a Savage took a shoot it was rare. Now that Savage has caught up and started paying attention they are finally making a gun that can compete. It's been a long time coming. And Remingtons or some custom made were the rule for way too many years.
    As I stated, The new Triggers helped, and they have better barrels now. But that was not the case in the past. We could debate that all day but ,,,,,
    I think you know what I am saying. Put a Remington in their hands and they will still win those shoots. They did not just buy a Savage and start winning.
    In the past to get a Savage to win a shoot took major work and by very skilled hands. It's about time they can compete. I too have seen some pretty good shooting Savage rifles, But , I'll keep my Remingtons and do just fine.
     
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    You could consider the 204 Ruger which is supposed to duplicate the 22-250 without the barrel burn out.
     
  23. Auburn1992

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    What's the barrel life of a .204 compared to 22-250 and to a .223? And my main concern is ammo prices of the .204 Ruger as compared to a .223. I could by some cheap some to just plink around with and then some expensive to target shoot with the .223. Anyone ever felt the trigger on a Remington XR-100? It's a 40-xb trigger. I've never felt it and would like some input please.
     
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    If you get into reloading the cost differences between 204, 223 and 22-250 a very slight.
     
  25. Auburn1992

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    I don't think I'll be getting into reloading any time soon.
     
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