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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by kingcheese, Sep 22, 2012.

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  1. kingcheese

    kingcheese Member

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    Ok, so i have primed brass for 223, and i have Barnes vg 36g, but the only powder i got on hand is imr4227, and I'm wondering if i could make a useable round from my materials, I'm new to reloading so any information and warnings is appreciated.
     
  2. cfullgraf

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    IMR4227 is too fast a powder for normal 223 Remington loads. I would not recommend using it but I am sure someone has done so and has lived to tell about it.

    Check out Hodgdon's reloading guide at...

    http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

    They have lots of data for the Barnes 36 grain bullet.
     
  3. ArchAngelCD

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    I agree, 4227 is way too fast a powder for the .223. You will generate excessively high pressures before you come close to acceptable velocities.

    Many of the medium burn rifle powders are acceptable. Try H335, TAC, 4895, Varget and many others in that burn rate range.
     
  4. helotaxi

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    TAC is too slow for the .36gn VG. H322, Benchmark, AA2200 and AA2230/X-Terminator are the right range for that bullet. On the fast side for the .223 but still much slower than 4227.
     
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    I agree 4227 is to fast for best velocities but I have used 2400 to get around 2500 fps with a 55gr bullet and 4227 is slower and with a 36 gr bullet I would suspect a load could we worked up in the 2800-3000 fps range
     
  6. ArchAngelCD

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    Hodgdon's Load Data Site lists 12 powders for use the a 35gr bullet. I'm sure all 12 won't deliver the highest performance but I'm sure you will find a few that will. The 3 Hodgdon powders I mentioned above are included. BTW, Ramshot lists TAC with a 34gr bullet in the .223...
     
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    Off the top of my head, I believe H4198 (very similiar if not identical burn rate ti IMR4198) is the fastest burning powder that Hodgdon publishes data for .223. But there is data for Reloder 7 which is faster. There probably is data out there for 4227 but you will probably have to do some digging to find it.
     
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  8. kingcheese

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    Barnes website has data for benchmark and tac, but i haven't found those powders anywhere
     
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    I use H4895 and H335. Love them both.
     
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    My last load was of IMR 4198 and 52 grain Sierra target bullets it shoots one hole groups. I do not remember the velocity. To me accurate is good velocity comes next.
     
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    kingcheese if you are going to buy another powder specifically for .223 I suggest Varget or CFE223. Good velocity, good metering, great accuracy, not very temperature sensitive, and pretty versatile for other cartridges as well.
     
  12. Ky Larry

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    My goto powder for .223 Rem is AA-2460.
     
  13. kingcheese

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    Well, i got 4227 because i use it in 7.62x54r loads and 7.62x38r nagant loads, I'm wanting specifically to load 36grain vg and 40grain v-max, so given that, what would be the best powder to use for both? U did find a link on imr using 4227 with a 45grain sierra spitzer using a 17.5g charge, so given that can i use that information to make a new load
     
  14. hentown

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    Must be shooting something with a barrel twist of about 1-in-15?? :evil:
     
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    ??? I've shot those bullets (they're long for a 36gn because of the copper/tin core) from a 1:7 with no problem and just as accurate as any other bullet.
     
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    Du Pont Handloader's Guide 1975-76 listed
    223 Remington 45 gr spitzer IMR 4227 17.5 gr 3085 fps 51400 cup

    Hodgdon #26 lists 17.0 gr H4427 with a 40 gr bulluet.
     
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    I didn't literally mean that I thought that he had a 1/15 barrel! ;)
     
  18. kingcheese

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    Its a Rossi single shot, 23inch barrel, 1:12 rifle rate, so will that make a difference in what powder i should use?
     
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    And what's the difference between imr4227 and h4227?
     
  20. helotaxi

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    No difference.

    The difference between the two powders is that they are different. Similar burn rate but different enough that the load data is not interchangeable.
     
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    Well that's about 500fps off the pace. So, yes you could make a functional load, you can do that with almost any powder/cartridge/bullet combination, but its no longer a published load simply because it isn't a particularly good load because that powder is just too fast to work well in the .223.
     
  22. Haxby

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    Sure. Won't be the fastest. Might be plenty accurate. 4227 works in lots of cartridges. Google '4227 in 223.' There has to be lots of guys have tried it.
     
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    Are you sure you're writing the correct powder number for the powder you're using in the 7.62X54R ammo? I can possibly see using 4227 for your 7.62X38R ammo but the 7.62X54R too?? Where did you get the brass and load data for the 7.62X38R? 4227 is WAY too fast a powder for 7.62X54R ammo, I can't see it working at all safely. :confused:
     
  24. kingcheese

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    I was pushing for a 100yd plinking load in the nagant, so it stayed subsonic, brass came from privi partizen, and imr 4227 is indeed what i used, brass for the nagant 7.62x38r is reformed 32-20
     
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    Realizing that you are looking for a plinking load, not a full power load, go over to

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/index.php

    Those guys are more likely to have low power loads for lots of cartridges with pistol powders.
     
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