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.22lr vs .17hmr?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Norton, Nov 7, 2003.

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  1. Norton

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    Are right guys....help me spend some of my hard earned money

    I've been thinking about getting a rimfire rifle over the last last few weeks. I have the SKS already....cheap and fun to shoot....but a rimfire just seems to be calling my name.

    A .22lr would be the obvious choice, but I just read an article extolling the virtues of the .17HMR cartridge for it's accuracy, flatter trajectory and essentially longer effective range.

    So tonight's 50 cent question: Taking into consideration cost of firearm, cost of ammo and overall performance what would be your choice of rimfire calibers?

    What would be your choice of gun in each caliber? I'd probably take some time to trick this gun out as all of my other guns are stock "blue collar" sort of guns....

    If I go .22lr, I'm thinking the CZ452.....as far as the .17HMR I'm clueless....
     
  2. Mike Irwin

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    Gotta stick with the .22.

    The .17s interesting, but the ammo price? Holy hell.

    .22 LR is around $120 per 2,500...

    .17s $89 per 500.

    Those prices from Ammoman.com
     
  3. Norton

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    Wow....hadn't done the research on the .17HMR ammo prices yet.....YIKES! That's serious $$ for ammo.

    I suppose that if I were hunting, the .17 would be the choice.....at those prices it would be awfully expensive to plink and target shoot very often. That's a higher cost than shooting my SKS.....
     
  4. Dave R

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    Don't get a .17hmr until you've already got a .22lr. Its one of the unwritten rules of shooting. Ya gotta have a .22lr. Shoot for hours for the price of a burger.

    And if it were me, it would be a CZ 452.
     
  5. farscott

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    I have both, and if I could only have one, it would be the .22 LR. There is essentially only one .17 HMR load (a 17-grain bullet at around 2650 fps), and there are several .22 LR (subsonic, standard velocity, high velocity, hyper velocity, pistol match, heavy weight, etc.) loads to meet different needs. In addition, the .22 LR is much less expensive to shoot. I pay somewhere between $7.00 and $9.00 per box of fifty .17 HMR, and I pay $10.96 for five hundred .22 LR. That means the .22 LR is around $60 to $75 cheaper per 500 rounds.

    .22 LR is also a lot of fun, and there are a wide variety of firearms chambered for it. I have more firearms to shoot .22 LR than for any other cartridge.

    In rimfire rifles, there are a lot of choices. I love my Volquartsen semi-autos, but I also like my Marlin lever actions and T/C Contenders.
     
  6. Jaegermeister

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    Use CCI Stingers

    To narrow the gap between the .22lr and the .17, use CCI Stingers.

    These shoot much flatter than most .22lr.

    My Ruger 77/.22 in blue and wood with scope loves them. Extreme accuracy at 50 yards with only a few inches of drop out to 100 yards.

    Most small game are taken at relatively close range. I carry a Ruger .22/45 pistol because some rabbit shots are within 10 yards.

    Get sneaky
     
  7. David4516

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    Not only does .17 HMR ammo cost you an arm and a leg, but it's also not so easy to find. Lots of places don't stock it, and places that do are often sold out...

    If you want a rimfire with more power than .22 LR, then stick with good old .22 WMR (the .17 is just a necked down .22 WMR anyway). You can find .22 WMR just about anywhere, and it is about $2.00 cheaper per box. And I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think it hits harder (.17HMR = 17gr bullet vs .22 WMR = 40 gr bullet)...
     
  8. JBP

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    Well I'll muddy the water for you a bit and suggest if you want something that will go out further than a 22LR and be cheaper to shoot than a 17 HMR than go for a 22 Mag. I normally do not fire my 10/22T (22LR) past 50 yards. With normal high velocity ammo the drop is about 4 inches, with CCI Mini Mags it only drops around a inch. I take my 10/22M (22 Mag) out to 100 yards. Accuracy is almost as good as the 10/22T but just have to work harder to get it. Ammo is around $5.49 per 50 rounds and plentiful. The 17 HMR is an extemely accurate round out to 200 yards (around a 3" drop) as long as there is not much of a wind. I have a Marlin 17VS and I can shoot that rifle all day long since there is absolutely no recoil. Ammo will run you anywhere from $8.99 to $10 per 50 rounds and like others have said it's sometimes hard to get a hold of because of its popularity. How accurate is it? One of the range officers where I shoot was firing his 17HMR NEF Handi Rifle at 100 yards when a fly decided to land on the target. Talk about a 100 yard fly squatter. Splattered it on the target :what: .
     
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    For just target shooting, plinking, and small game, a .22 LR is tough to beat. You can get very nice bolt actions from Savage, Marlin, CZ, and Ruger. Marlin and Winchester make nice lever actions. Ammo is cheap and the rifles can be very quiet. Note that in some guns, the really cheap stuff may not be accurate or may cause excessive leading. Winchester XPert .22s, for example.

    .17 HMR is apparently very accurate and flat shooting to 200 yards, but the ammo is a lot more expensive and harder to come by. Unless the price of ammo drops a lot, shooting it will be comparable in cost to shooting centerfire ammo. If I was into varmint hunting in populated areas, I'd look long and hard at getting a LH Savage boltgun in .17.

    .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire is a great cartridge in my book. I have a Savage 93GL in .22 Mag. It's accurate and will be more so when I do a trigger job on it. The .22 Mag gives you another 50 - 75 yards in effective range compared with a .22 LR, and packs a lot more wallop at closer ranges. I wish I had my Savage with me last week when I had to shoot a rabid racoon. :uhoh:

    .22 Mag ammo is a bit more expensive than .22 LR, though. E.g., Natchez Shooters' Supply has CCI Maxi Mags on sale for $5.49/50. .22 LR Mini Mags are about $3.50/100. And .17 HMR will run you closer to $10/50.
     
  11. bad_dad_brad

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    The .22LR is an everyday caliber. Ammo is dirt cheap. The .17HMR is a specialty caliber. A very interesting cartridge, the .17 has some impressive balistics.

    All the advise to have a .22LR rifle first is correct. This can take small game, is fun as hell, and cheap. Most .17HMR rifles are based on .22LR and .22Mag rifles anyway. They are all pretty good and inexpensive (except Ruger's - what is with that?)

    I have a Marlin .17HMR bolt action with a heavy barrel, just because I wanted one. A great rifle, accurate, simple, and reliable, Hmmm . . . just like their .22 and .22mag rifle's. And it was cheap (less than $200).

    I also have a Ruger 10/22 - great little piece. And I have a host of other .22 rifles.

    Regarding rimfires, cut your teeth on a .22LR, then get a .17HMR.
     
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    Got to start with the .22. It's a must have for any shooter period. The .17 HMR is a nice little specialty gun, I have one, but for practice and plinking there is no way it can compete with the .22lr. Plus as has been pointed out there is dozens of different loads for .22s, from CBshorts to Mini-mags and all the promo shells that will keep a .22 fed for a long time. When you want a little niche gun like the .17HMR, it's for something that adds to a collection, not a must have like a .22.
     
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    If you live in a high wind area as I do the .17 is useless a lot of the year they blow around a lot.
     
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    If you want more reach than the .22lr but don't want the expense of buying .17hmr, go with the .22mag. I did, and have not looked back.
     
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    If your main criteria is price (as stated), no question - .22 lr. Low cost platforms, low cost ammo, high selection of ammo. With .17 HMR, all you have is low cost platforms.

    The .17, though, is very accurate (from my experience) with some of the ammo on its short list. About as accurate as some of the match grade ammo which, incidentally, are pretty close in price. Only possibility the .17 has for toppling the .22 is if you're shooting past 100 yds, IMO. I do have to say, though, that I have not shot .17 in any cross wind over 5 mph (est).

    [The .17 I'm shooting is Butler Creek's drop in barrel/stock for the 10/22M.]
     
  16. Norton

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    Thanks for all of the well-thought replies, everyone.....it's why we all come here to ask our questions


    Given that I have to .22lr pistols, it would make sense for me to keep my rifle caliber common to those guns. Since I'm not a hunter, it sounds like the .22, whether in LR, WMR or .22 Magnum is the way to go.

    I'm going to take a hard look at the CZ.....a little more money but sounds like a favorite amongst those who have compared them to others.

    To throw one more variable into the mix.....anyone have a good read on how different .22LRs compare as far as size/ergonomics? I'm 6'7" so, as you may imagine, not every firearm works for me size wise......
     
  17. MeekandMild

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    Norton, I love my Marlin model 17 but the truth is it is just a toy for the guy who has everything.

    I agree that you should get a .22 first to match your pistols and put 10,000 rounds through it. Then later on when you have money to burn get a .17. :D
     
  18. CB900F

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    Norton;

    I noticed one of the other posters suggested the .22 magnum as he didn't use his .22lr much past 50 yards. I routinely use my .22 lr's in the 100 yard range. Mostly for Montana gopher shooting. It's not hard to get reliable hits at that sort of range, just spend a lot of time in ammo evaluation & then practice, practice practice.

    Of course, in a situation where it's utterly possible to shoot a brick a day, you can get a lot of very fun practice.

    900F
     
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    Honestly I don't see the point of the .22 magnum when there's .223 ammo that's cheaper and of course performs much much better. I like to pop .22 magnums out of a Ruger Single Six for fun, just to make people wonder why the gun that was going plink plink with .22 longs a minute ago is now going BOOM BOOM hehe, but it's really pointless in a rifle.
     
  20. Jiles111

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    I personally prefer the .17hmr. (Mine is the Marlin 17V)

    It seems like I get a ton more duds in the 22lr than in the 17hmr.
    Out of 400 rounds through the 17.hrm I have had only 1 dud. I just cycled it back through and it fired the 2nd time. My 17 has lots more power than my 22LR. It will cleanly go through a 4X4 at 50 yards, where my 22' will not at 10 yards. The 17 will leave a nail hole on one side and a hole about the size of a quarter on the other. My 17 is also allot more accurate. I have hit bullfrogs at 100 yards with it (While they were in the water. Leaving only a 2" wide by 1/2 inch tall target). I have also taken numberous birds at 150, and even picked off a Cotton tail at 300 yards downhill (aimed about a foot and 1/2 over). Given a good solid rest, and no wind, you can hit dimes at 150 yard. Although its tough to get it in the middle, you can hit the outer rings with no problem.

    I mainly use my 22 for Rats, and Cactus Critters. I would use the 17 on rats, but at 3 yards it shoots about 3" low (lol) because it is scoped.

    If you have never had a 22LR, then you might want to get one. Or compramise and get a NEF .17HMR and buy a 22LR barrel with it. That way you will have BOTH for under $300
     
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    Hi Jiles, I'm sure the .17HMR is very accurate and I would assume it has more power and much more penetration than a .22lr since it's basically a .22 mag necked down to .17 and goes twice as fast, but even if a brick of .22lr has 5 duds and the .17 has only one, the .22lr is still gonna be tons cheaper.

    The .17HMR costs quite a bit MORE to shoot than surplus or cheap .223 Remington and is no more accurate AND in fact will be less accurate than .223 with more bullet drop at ranges up to and especially when exceeding 100 yards or so.

    And it can't compete performance wise.

    I just don't see the point to .17HMR until they start selling it at Walmart for $12 per 500/550 round brick.
     
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    A brick of the Brass coated Remington 22LR are trash. Thats the 9$ brick. I usually have about 15 to 20 duds out of them. The Federal lightning's arent as bad. You also gotta consider the noise ratio. 22's bieng the quietist, then the 17, then the .223. You also gotta take in concideration of plinking backgrounds (houses, cattle, ppl, etc..). I am not saying that the .223 is not a good round. I think its a wonderfull round, but I dont like to plink with it. It has TOO much power for just venting cans and killing purple cactus buds. =P
     
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    I read in a mag at WalMart (As the wife was shopping for clothes) that there was another company that was working on a .17hmr bullet design. Any words on that? Its been several weeks since I read that and I caint remember. Plus since the wife was shopping for clothes I was able to read most the the articles and put the mag back. There was also a insert about Ruger was in the works on making a 10/22-17 design. Basically a 10/22 in a 17.hrm. I know that have conversion barrels now, but this one is going to be from the factory like this. Any info on that? (release dates?)
    Just curious
     
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    "Honestly I don't see the point of the .22 magnum when there's .223 ammo that's cheaper and of course performs much much better."

    The .22 Mag. was originally designed to bridge the gap between the .22 LR and the smaller centerfire .22s, like the .22 Hornet and the .218 Bee.

    The .222 and .223s came along later.
     
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    I’d suggest buying a CZ in .22lr and not looking back. I have a 452 varmint and at 25 yards five shots through one hole isn’t even a challenge. I probably shot a dozen different kinds of ammo and accuracy was basically the same no matter what I sent downrange. I shot everything from cheap CCI Blazers ($12 per 500) to Eley Tenex ($10 per 50). In fact my best group of the day was while I was shot the CCI Blazers, I put 5 shots through a .25†hole.

    My next trip to the range I’m going to back up to 50 yards. I have a feeling that ammo choice will make a difference at that range, but at 25 yards it’s a dead heat for me.

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