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.22's and water moccasins

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by beckrodgers, Feb 13, 2003.

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  1. beckrodgers

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    Anybody ever just go snake shootin? I've been going since 1991. The funny part is I did most of it with an old Bear- cat and Winchester 18-shot auto. One day, I decided I needed a better way to unload and load to cross county roads. That's when my search started for high-cap mags detachable about early 94. Since then (91), I have personally killed several thousand mean snakes. And I mean mean. I have many stories I would like to tell. Some funny, some not so funny. But, I figure it's good practice. So let me know if you would like to hear some. Most now done with a Ruger 1022 semi-custom with 500,000 plus rounds thru it.
     
  2. Preacherman

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    Moved to Hunting forum.
     
  3. Double Naught Spy

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    What a dumb idea, but I assume it goes with the poor understanding of snakes. For starters, snakes are niether mean nor nice. Their little reptilian brain really is not sophisticated enough to have emotions. Also, snakes do humans many favors by helping to keep rodent populations in check. Except for poisonous snakes, the rest of them here in the US really pose no real threat to humans. Yes, they can bite and it may hurt a bit, but a lot of animals can cause painful bites that are not going to cause any real damage.

    As for the poisonous snakes, yes, they may pose some danger to humans, but most such snakes go about their beneficial tasks without ever encountering humans. Sort of funny is the fact that many snake bites are the result of humans trying to mess with, capture, or kill the snakes in question. The confrontation is started by the human, not the snake. There are some bites that come as the result of the human stepping on a snake, but if you step on a lot of animals they will bite you. The fault comes from not looking where you are stepping.
     
  4. redneck

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    Well I fer one hate snakes an find it somewhat satisfyin when I can thwart the deadly onslaught of a big ol garder snake with a lawnmower, weedeater, gun etc.
    Ya just gotta understand that with some critters I expect more personal space than others. A pretty lady? Well she can come as close as her sense of smell will let her. A snake? Well then my personal space suddenly becomes as far as my eyes can see ;)

    I remember readin somewhere that snakes, or mother nature or something like that adjust their population on their own. Somehow just naturally works into their breedin and how many hatch out. I really doubt our new friend is going to kill them all, in fact I doubt he's even put a dent in the population. So if huntin em gets him some time in the great outdoors an a chance to brush up on his shootin, more power to him.

    So welcome aboard, spin us a yarn an maybe some folks will chime in.
     
  5. Art Eatman

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    Even the non-poisonous moccasins are aggressive, or "mean". It's not so much that they can hurt you as make you hurt yourself. :) Fortunately, we don't have moccasins out here in the desert. :D

    My policy is that I pretty much ignore snakes, except for rattlers around the house. It's impossible to get rid of all mice; the little doofers love woodpiles and the hidey-holes around sheds, barns, the garage, and suchlike. Mice attract snakes. So, I work as needs be on both species...

    Art
     
  6. Bruz

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    personally killed several thousand mean snakes

    I have always been under the belief that if I can't eat it I won't kill it, but begining to give it a second thought regarding pests...if you can kill several thousand snakes in your yard, you may have a snake problem!
     
  7. Azrael256

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    I would be EXTREMELY wary of water moccasins. I learned this the fun way. We were clearing brush, and dad spotted one on TOP, yes, I said on TOP, of a brush pile several hundred yards from the creek. Scared the living **** out of all of us. So, dad proceeds to draw his K-frame and empty four rounds of snakeshot into the little sucker. That did him pretty good... well, maybe not. About an hour later, I go walking by, and the little bugger raises up his head, mouth opens, fangs come out... I took down a 3" oak sapling that was between me and... well... anywhere but near that snake. So, dad, being dad, decides it's time to chainsaw him. Now, THAT did him good. Cut one of 'em in half, and they don't last long. We got to looking at him after that, and we counted about 20 bloody holes where the snakeshot hit him.

    Since then, it's been SWCHP's until they stop wriggling when they fly in the air from the shot.
     
  8. Art Eatman

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    It is not at all unknown for fishermen in the Gulf Coast country to have a moccasin drop from a tree into the boat. Snakes are known to beome the sole occupant of a boat.

    Some fishermen carry a .410 "Snake Charmer" along with them. A high level of excitement in the use of one of these has been known to create a second problem, leading to a frantic search for that roll of duct tape which is back at the truck or at home...

    :D, Art
     
  9. Carlos Cabeza

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    Sink the boat Art ????:D .......
    I do a fair bit of early spring hawg (Bucketmouth) fishing and have had moccassins chase me, mouth agape ! They are VERY aggressive and will bite without provocation. I don't leave the house without a .22 sidearm anymore. I have also learned to use some ballistic nylon shin protection. Man, I would hate to die on a farm pond in the middle of Nowhere, OK.
     
  10. XLMiguel

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    When I was a kid, I used to caddy at a golf course outside of Richmond, VA, that had several water hazards. Part of teh job was to go after the balls that the duffers shanked into the water, and I learned early on to watch out for Mr. Cottonmouth. They are indeed aggressive, but I found that a 7 iron to be pretty effective at pacifying the critters. When properly motivated (and I was), one could take the head clean off with a stroke or two. I generally don't bother things that don't bother me, but those things will come after you.
     
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    I grew up in north Louisiana in the 60's on a farm bordering a bayou and have killed several hundred water moccassins and maybe a grand total of 50-60 other poisonous snakes. I've clubbed, shot, stoned, stomped, macheteed, hoed, shoveled, and even picked up water moccassins. I have found the water moccassin to be the most aggressive of our poisonous snakes. Particularly large ones that are in remote areas. I have seen them make absolutely no effort to get out of the way and have seen several cases where they actually follow you. What I don't know is if those were simply curious or viewed me as prey or just what. However they're normal behaviour is to flee the approach of man.
    I have never seen a poisonous snake up higher than about 6' in a tree. A water moccassin normally has to have lower limbs on the tree/bush in order to climb higher due to their "S" shape pattern of movement and thick bodies, unlike many non-poisonous snakes that can literally climb straight up using the rough bark (for example have seen a chicken snake about 25' up a pine tree with no lower limbs). (did see one snake up as high as 8' over water but I couldn't identify it, luckily it didn't drop on top of me)
     
  12. Smoke

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    I will always kill a poisonous snake that presents itself to me. I used to kill all snakes until I saw a Bullsnake eating a rattlesnake. I changed my opinion on non-poisonous after that.

    I too enjoy a leisurely afternoon of snake/turtle shooting. A brick of .22s a good rifle and a cold six pack is a nice way to pass the time.

    GUNS & BEER!:evil: Horrors:what:

    Drink responsibly. Shoot responsibly. You can do both.
     
  13. Keith

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    OK, I'll withhold judgement on the shooting of poisonous snakes. I figure they do some good by killing rats, but then so do non-poisonous snakes which presumably fill any vacuum left by killing the poisonous snakes. It seems a little odd to me to actually seek them out and kill them, but I don't have to live around them, so... go for it!

    But why in hell would anyone cruise around drinking beer and shooting turtles for crissakes?

    Keith
     
  14. redneck

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    Box turtles an snappin turtles can be pretty common around stock tanks/ponds an stuff depeding on what part of the counrty your in. Not sure that they cause problems, but then I don't go swimmin with em.
    Besides you can make turtle soup, tutle shell handles for your knife an your .45, get a big'n and you've got the potential for a super tactical altra camo helmet for the next time you want to make an amphibious attack :D
     
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    You don't cruise for turtles. You sit in the shade of a mesquite tree on the tailgate of your pickup with the cooler beside you.

    Cruising would suggest drinking and driving...kinda against the responsible part of my post.

    Turtles are destructive to stocked tanks. They seem to multiply prolifically and have few predators. They are also challenging to shoot. When they surface only their head is visible. Try shooting a turtle in the head at 50 yards. You must be quick too, they'll dive if they spot you. Its great fun.

    Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. We don't have Prairie Dogs in this part of the state so one must improvise.
     
  16. Art Eatman

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    Farm pond = stock tank, in ranch country.

    You get a bunch of turtles in the tank, the fishing goes to zip, zilch, nada. I'd rather have fish than turtles.

    Park the truck, get comfy, shoot turtles with a .223 from about 50 to 75 yards.

    They don't go to waste; the coons eat them. Or coyotes. Then you can go out at night and call coyotes.

    "Food chain".

    :D, Art
     
  17. Smoke

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    .223, ART?:what:

    We always just used .22's. I like the way you think though....come on over to Bosque County and lets shoot some turtles!
     
  18. Keith

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    Ah, I see!

    Where I grew up it was considered bad form to shoot turtles in the same way it was to kill song birds and the like. I can see that in a small tank where it might be a choice between turtles and bass, you'd choose the bass!

    Thanks for educating me!

    Keith
     
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    To quote Mike in VA:
    "...watch out for Mr. Cottonmouth. They are indeed aggressive, but I found that a 7 iron to be pretty effective at pacifying the critters. When properly motivated (and I was), one could take the head clean off with a stroke or two."

    Mike- Club selection is truely everything!! Kinda like shot placement?



    Lexter in NC
     
  20. Bikeguy

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    Just so you know, most of the above discussed actions are illegal in GA. Killing venomous snakes is not, but contrary to what most people will tell you ALL snakes will try to get away from you if they have the opportunity.

    Box Turtles are becoming very rare in the southeast. There is certainly no reason to kill them.

    The vast majority of "water moccasins" are actually other, harmless water snakes. Cottonmouths very rarely climb trees. Copperheads are actually much more aggressive than cottonmouths according to the preliminary findings of research done by Whit Gibbins.

    Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with legitimate hunting. But killing snakes and turtles just because you can or because you don't know enough to stay away from a venomous snake is asinine and downright despicable.

    edited to add: killing predatory turtles in a fishing pond for game management purposes is also excluded from the above - but shooting at the surface of the water is just not a good idea.
     
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    I've always been of the opinion that the only good snake is a dead snake, and that all snakes are good for are "Boots" "Belts", and "Hatbands". They may as has been stated keep the rodent population in check, but I figure I can always thin out the offending critters if it becomes necessary.
     
  22. beckrodgers

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    I'm becky typing for Bobby. Here we go. To the fellas who say something like "shootin snakes is assinine" or that "all snakes will move away from you" or one of the other responses and specifically to Double Naught Spy: I say this, I believe it was 1995. A man had a stroke. Drove his truck into a ditch on hwy 8 west of Cleveland, MS. He was bitten while unconscious 18 times by 3 different poisonous snakes. They shipped him to Memphis. One of the doctors said we could treat the strokes, but it's real difficult to treat these venemous bites. Anyway, the man died. I was not trying to debate morals.
    One of my favorite related stories happened in 1996 at the Mid-South Fair. I walked into an exhibit of the Pink Palace Museum. I saw several stuffed animals and snakes. I asked a group standing away from me "Hey, who over there knows about snakes?" I repeated it and finally a big bear of a man walked over and asked what I wanted to know. I said breeding habits, eating habits, habitats, yearly cycles and can species interbreed? He asked what I wanted to know all that for. I said well, I have killed several hundreds of snakes. His eyes got real big. He said, really, how? I said, I shoot em. By this time, there was a dozen people listening. He said really, "Where do you shoot em?" I said, in the head. Anyway this could get long, but he introduced himself as Walter Winfrey, Memphis Police Chief. I said, well who over there knows about these snakes? The question was repeated and I answered, "in the head". This went on for 5 minutes or more. I was ignoring him, looking around him and he kept repeating "well I'm the chief of police" and I said finally, "well I'm Bobby Coleman, I know who you are. I used to work for you. Anybody over there know about snakes"? Finally I said oooooh, where am I shooting em? Mostly in the water. While I stand on the side of the road, in the Mississippi delta in Washington County, Sunflower County. Anyway, it was kinda funny and we still talk about the former MPC. I finally sent him one of those big Time/Life type encyclopedias that I had on snakes. Never got a reply from him.
     
  23. Bikeguy

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    How open minded!:rolleyes:

    Sorry, I'm not buying the truck in the water story. I here about people getting killed by "nests" of cotton mouths in lakes around here all the time. Problem is they don't live this far north in GA, with a few rare exceptions. Can you say "urban legend"?
     
  24. beckrodgers

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    hey folks, I didn't know the man that had the stroke and was bitten and died but, I did read it in the Bolivar County Newspaper. If I can find the story, I will share it with you.
    There was a guy that swore water moccassins could not possibly be longer than 5'. Needless to say, he was, (I hate to use the word proven) shown different. Also, it takes the fun out of it when we disagree so arrogantly. Thanks.
     
  25. Art Eatman

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    Hey, Bikeguy, aren't "box turtles" the same as terrapins? Land turtles? Anyway, I don't bother them. I generally stop on the road and pick them up and set them down in the bar ditch. (Not the one they came from...) Gotta be careful picking them up; they'll pee on you.

    I use a .223 so as to avoid ricochets; I also consider the angle, as well. And an oak-covered hill is across the way.

    Besides, 50 turtles in a 1-acre pond is a bit over-crowded. Gotta do my part to balance out the eco-system!

    :), Art
     
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