Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

231 or Titegroup

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by showmebob, Sep 12, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. showmebob

    showmebob Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    322
    Location:
    Salida, CO
    231 or titegroup for 380 (100gr) ,9mm (115gr) and 357 (125gr) which do you prefer and why? I'm looking for a light target load. I tried 700x but it doesn't meter well for me.
    Also, a local supplier wants me to try Ramshot powders. Any opinions on Ramshot?
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2009
  2. lgbloader

    lgbloader Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,548
    Location:
    LGB
    I wouldn't post this on the internet...

    LGB
     
  3. Roccobro

    Roccobro Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,506
    Location:
    San Berdoo, CA
    Lead or plated? Titegroup is hot burning for straight lead stuff in .380.

    Justin
     
  4. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    5,061
    Location:
    S.E. Minnesota
    Bullseye will work great in all of those. (I use International Clays for my .380 light loads, but there's no published data for it) Unique for your hot loads in .380, although some people have trouble measuring it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2009
  5. showmebob

    showmebob Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    322
    Location:
    Salida, CO
    Justin
    I shoot platted bullets.
     
  6. joneb

    joneb Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    3,802
    Location:
    Oregon
    I have a heck of time with large flake powders. I have great results with Bullseye, W-231 and AA#5.
     
  7. ants

    ants Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2007
    Messages:
    3,710
    Bob, both work great for the bullets and the cartridges you listed.

    You might find it easier to load the 380 with the slower powder W231, because the charge weight for Titegroup gets rather small with a 100g bullet. It's always harder to meter very small charges, even with a good powder like Titegroup.

    Both work great in 9mm 115 grain. Can't lose with either one.

    357 target loads will use both powders well, but fast powders don't get much velocity. To get more velocity from the magnum cartridge you'll need the W231.
     
  8. ants

    ants Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2007
    Messages:
    3,710
    Other powders...

    You didn't ask me for powder recommendations, but what would I use for target loads in 380 and 9mm and 357 mag?

    VV N320.
     
  9. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2006
    Messages:
    48,872
    Location:
    Alabama
    Of the two, W-231.

    Ramshot powders? Good stuff.

    Zip excellent for very light target loads, and it is similar to W-231 in its uses.

    For .357 if you want full loads you will need a much slower powder than W-231. Something like AA #9, H-110, or Ramshots Enforcer.

    Personally, I really like 700X, and no, it doesn't meter as well as some, but is very accurate & burns really clean.


    The "V" powders? Yep, really good stuff!
     
  10. putteral

    putteral Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2007
    Messages:
    378
    Location:
    Homosassa, Florida
    Both are excellant>
     
  11. DBR

    DBR Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    1,071
    Location:
    Vermont
    Either WW231 or Ramshot Silhouette will meter very well. Personally, I like Silhouette because it is a modern flash suppressed relatively cool burning powder. It is excellent for 9MM also.
     
  12. philbo

    philbo Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2006
    Messages:
    372
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    With plated or jacketed bullets, I prefer Titegroup. With lead I'd prefer W231/HP38.
     
  13. TigerBight

    TigerBight Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2008
    Messages:
    54
    Location:
    Alaska
    380 plinking with missouri bullets I like W321 makes for a great round and way cheep to reload for a fun day at the range. not sure of the other cals
     
  14. showmebob

    showmebob Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    322
    Location:
    Salida, CO
    Thanks to all for sharing your expert advice!
     
  15. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2006
    Messages:
    22,678
    Location:
    Northeast PA, USA
    I also would choose W231 for what you listed. I use a lot of W231 and for a lot of different calibers. Ramshot powder are reported to be very good and clean powders. Ramshot Zip is supposed to be a lot like W231 but I haven't tried it yet. BTW, Western Powders, Inc. owns Ramshot and they also recently bought out Accurate Arms. I don't know which company will benefit more from being under the same roof but time will tell.
     
  16. evan price

    evan price Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2005
    Messages:
    5,476
    Location:
    http://www.ohioccw.org/ Ohio's best CCW resour
    I shoot a lot of Titegroup with lead bullets, and have no complaints. W231 is more forgiving in terms of the range of loads for small calibers but careful measurement is the key for Titegroup.
     
  17. Deavis

    Deavis Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,424
    Location:
    Austin, Texas
    Both work well. You can use HP38 instead of 231, it is cheaper and it is the same powder. Titegroup is supposed to be position insensitive, which is nice for light loads with very little powder in them.
     
  18. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2006
    Messages:
    48,872
    Location:
    Alabama
    In my testing is is average in that dept.
     
  19. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    22,840
    I loaded a pound of Titegroup when it was new on the market. I thought it dark, dense, and hard to see down in the bottom of the case when checked before placing a bullet for seating. I went back to HP38 (W231) which is a bit bulkier and lighter colored, easier to do a visual check on.
     
  20. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2006
    Messages:
    48,872
    Location:
    Alabama
    A big advantage over Titegroup in my book. The light color of W-231 has always been one of the things I liked about it.
     
  21. Jumping Frog

    Jumping Frog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2007
    Messages:
    321
    Location:
    Texas
    I load 9mm and .40 S&W with both W231 and Titegroup, but Ramshot Zip is my preferred powder for those rounds. I am loading middle-of-powder-range target loads, and I personally get smaller groups sizes from Zip.

    Ramshot Zip is light grey, easy to see, fills about half the case, and meters very consistently. I still have about 5 lbs. left, so I obviously made a commitment to this powder.
     
  22. Clarence

    Clarence Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    507
    Location:
    KCMO
    I've shot a lot of Titegroup but have decided to discontinue using it in my revolvers. It may just be me but it seems that the blow-by from between the forcing cone and the cylinder has destroyed the blueing on the cylinder of two of my revolvers.

    Anyone else see anything like this with Titegroup?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page