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243 or 7 mm 08 Youth Model?

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  1. nathan

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    I m torn whether of the two would be the best? I see Remington 700 SPS has them offered in Youth Model. WOuld a 7 mm 08 offer more in BC downrange even in the same bullet weight? This will be a gift to my son when he gets 12 yrs old. I want him to have a rifle that will last his lifetime. It will be for deer, hogs and all critters combined.

    I see 7 mm 08 is gaining more rave reviews and ammos quite well stocked in gunstores. ANy pros and cons?
     
  2. ArmedBear

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    How big is he?

    It may be that he'll need a youth model in a caliber that doesn't kick too hard, than another rifle when he gets older.

    Most kids see 100 yards as VERY far away. .243 should do fine.

    OTOH, some 12-year-olds are almost adult-sized. 7mm-08 shouldn't be a problem.

    That's how I'd choose. What will he comfortably shoot?

    (A kid who gets blasted out of his socks will learn to be scared of rifles.:) )
     
  3. nathan

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    Yeah , he is small kid. He is able to tolerate the AK round for now as I stepped him up from the .22 LR. He shot a hog last SPring Break . Yeah Im so proud of him. He hit it behind the ear from 20 yds.

    Thanks for the response.
     
  4. Ridgerunner665

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    Either one ...the 7mm-08 doesn't kick noticeably harder than the 243 and will give better terminal and ballistic performance across the board.

    There is one load out there for the 7mm-08 that does kick some...its the Hornady 139 grain LM (light magnum) load. That one has some punch...but it also has nearly the same ballistic performance as a 280 Remington with the same bullet.
     
  5. Jimmy Newman

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    I started shooting an adult-sized 7mm-08 rifle (always using a "rest," be it a sandbag, tree branch, or windowsill of a blind) when I was 9 years old... it wasn't a problem for me, and knowing what I know now, I am still glad I started with 7mm-08 and not .243. That said, .243 is a fine rifle, I just like the 7mm-08.
     
  6. Auburn1992

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    I like the 7mm-08 more personally. Unless he's really small I wouldn't go for a .243. have you looked at the Ruger M77 compact rifles? Comes in .223, .243, .260, 7mm-08, and .308. Got the one in 7mm-08 and am very happy w/ it.
     
  7. jeridurine

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    7mm-08 shot a doe last year at 70+ meters and dropped her. Very light recoil, great for kids. My brother started my nephew out on a 7mm-08 for his first deer rifle.
     
  8. rangerruck

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    the hundred grain, 243, will have better downrange trajectory, and wind bucking perfomance , after about 300 yds, than a 7.08. You have to get a 7 milly moving pretty fast, to up it's longer range potential.
     
  9. alaskanativeson

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    My $0.02 worth:

    Any range that you should ethically be shooting at can be done with a 7mm-08. In fact it'll shoot way beyond ethical range. If you want to punch paper at 1000 yards it may be a different story but I doubt that's the case. The 7mm-08 has great performance and I haven't found it to kick much different than a .243 though I haven't shot Hornady's Light Magnum load that Ridgerunner is talking about. I am damned impressed with that round though, I want to try it on some caribou up here soon. I already have a 7mm-08 and I'll be buying a .243 soon (in an evil black AR-10) but if I could only get one of the two for all around hunting I'd get the 7mm-08 and not look back.
     
  10. 41 Mag

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    Nathan,

    Based on my experiences growing up, as well as bringing up my daughter, and now bringing my grandson into hunting and shooting starting when he was 5 I can recemmend the following.

    I started just before I turned 6 with a M1 carbine as it was all I could fully support at the time the following year I moved up to a 243 Win. which I still have. My daughter started out using the same Carbine for target as did the grandson. The daughter quickly moved into the .243 and was deadly on paper to 200 yds from hunting positions then argued with me when it came time to shoot her first deer at age nine and proceeded to drop it using my 25-06 at 180 yds. using a erst of course. She is now 25 and the owner of that rifle.

    The grandson wanted more than anything to shoot a hog a couple of years ago. WEll he is one of those stubborn red headed kids who just don't take no for an answer. So I brought out the M1 for him as well. I also got out all 3 .243's and he wasn't big enough to hold any of them at the time. He was just about to turn 5. He managed the M1 very well but I knew it wasn't exactly the best thing I had for a hog of any size. I also had a Ruger compact in .308 that he kept insisting he wanted to use. I used it for about 90% of our hunting and he knew it would put one down. I knew if he pulled the trigger on a full load round I would probably be explaining the bruised shoulder to someone with a badge. Anyway I settled on the reduced loads posted on the Hodgdon website under Youth Loads. WE used the 125gr load to take his first hog with one shot just before his 5th birthday. Since he has gotten a few more with it and we have bumped the load up as he could tolerate it. We are now shooting the 130gr Barnes TSX at 2500fps which is a very deadly round out to 200yds. The boy can shoot them from the stand or from the hunting rest into around 2" groups at that range. He is 6 now and hsa all the confidence you cold ask for in the rifle and load.

    When I was looking into getting him his own rifle as your doing I looked at them all. I almost decided to go with the Weatherby Youth Vanguard as it come with two stocks.
    http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns.asp?prd=Rifles&prd_sub_type=3&prod_code=VGC223RR0O

    The calibers from .243 up through the .308 are all deadly with practice and limiting shots to certian ranges. I am fortunate enough that we own our own property and we set up our tree stand and practice from it as well as from the pop up's. I set out several full sized deer targets at various ranges and let the boy shoot them. After 5 rounds to each as I call out which one to shoot we move them to different places and shoot some more. Different angles behing treees or anything I can come p wth at the time to make it as real as possible. He is a very accomplished shot for a 6yr old as is the daughter, who will shame most seasoned hunters with her shooting. IF you look at the bottom link under my signature there is a clip of the kid shooting that first hog, a few of his targets, as well as the daughter and a few of her accomplished shots. The daughters deer were all taken at over 250yds using the same 25-06 she started out with. THe hogs as well as the coyotes were all taken around midnight, between 100 and 200 using the flash light while out checking a hog trap.

    Good luck to you and if your anywhere around Carters stop by and give the Rugers and the Vanguard a look. For a older boy I might have went with the Vanguard but due to his age and size I went with what I had, and am now out another rifle. LOL
     
  11. PAPACHUCK

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    A youth model bolt gun chambered in 7mm-08 will serve him well for a lifetime, and should be able to take most game out to 200yds or more quite effectively.

    I couldn't recommend the .243 when the 7mm-08 is an option.
     
  12. Ol` Joe

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    Go with the 708. Remington offers "reduced recoil" loads in this cartridge and the 120 gr loads are very low recoil also if that is a concideration. If he ever goes after hogs or bear the 708 is a much better choice with its heavier bullets then a 243s 100 gr.
     
  13. 45Badger

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    Both will do the job. We've gone the .243 route and been pleasantly surprised by the accuracy and effect of the round in killing whitetail deer and groundhogs.

    I'm working on rationalizing my calibers in both long guns and hand guns, so the 7mm-08 was "odd man out" in that endeavor. We're down to 30-06, .308/7.62x51, and .243. I figure .243 ammo and supplies are always going to be more readiliy available and less expensive than the 7mm-08.
     
  14. peyton

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    I would go with.243 ammo is everywhere. I think all of my kids took to shooting because the recoil did not beat them. As they grew the different calibers were added. They all agree that their children will be raised using those .243's. This makes me happy!!!
     
  15. 9mmepiphany

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    i think the 7mm-08 will offer more versitilty over the long haul than the .243 if you'd ever want to move to heavier bullets.

    my personal preference splits your difference...the .260 (6.5mm)
     
  16. scubie02

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    personally I think the 08 kicks noticeably more than the 243, which is a creampuff, yet will do the job quite nicely on deer etc. I'm not saying the 08 is a beast or anything, more intermediate, but I do think it kicks more than the 243 than people tend to say it does.
     
  17. Schleprok62

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    I have a 7mm-08 and couldn't be more pleased with the results I've had with it. 1.5" groups @ 200 yards from a bench.

    I reload, and the only round I've envountered that gave any significant kick, was the 150gr Noslers I loaded up. Generally, I use 120 and 140 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips though... ( had to try the 150's...)
     
  18. Shawnee

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    I really, really like both calibers but, Truth be told, the .243 will without a doubt do everything 90% of the hunters in the country will ever need doin'. And in skilled hands it will do more.


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  19. Eagle103

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    I also own both calibers but would recommend the .243. IMO it does kick noticably less than the 7mm08 and is nearly as effective as a 30-06 on a deer. I can't speak for hogs though.
    The last thing you want to do is start the youngster out with a flinch. For a real pussycat you could even get a semiauto .243.
     
  20. scubie02

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    or a 30-30--they are real pussycats too and I would think would work nicely on hogs as well as deer.
     
  21. alaskanativeson

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    Here's an alternative voice to scubie02. I have shot a pre-64 Win 94 in 30/30 and I found it had more kick than my wife's 7mm-08 does in her Thompson Center Encore. I know some of that is probably due to the design of the Encore but it's still what my shoulder told me. It wasn't unpleasant or anything but I did notice the 94 had more felt recoil.
     
  22. Mr White

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    For varmits, hogs and Texas sized deer, a .243 is ideal and will kill anything in that group of animals.

    For bigger game, up to elk, or northern deer, a 7mm-08 might be a better choice.

    You can load up 55 gr bullets in a .243 that make excellent varmit loads and 100 gr ballistic tips that are devastating on deer and hogs.
     
  23. skinewmexico

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    I have a youth 7mm-08 by Howa, and none of my kids will shoot it due to the recoil. So i use it. I put a limbsaver on it, makes a great, compact gun for a blind. I think it is Weatherby now that has a youth model, and a coupon for a free adult stock. Anyway.......my 13 year old daughter killed 7 does over the last 2 years with a 223, none of them went over 10 feet. Something to be said about shot placement, and bullet selection. A 223 or 22-250 is perfect for Texas deer, unless you're dropping $20K in S. Texas.
     
  24. Moose458

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    Either of these two calibers will work well, but you should check into the Rem 260. Basically the same as the 6.5x55 Swede. Low recoil high BC and all around great caliber for any game up thruogh deer size.
     
  25. woof

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    +1 to Moose. The .260 Rem is practically and literally the compromise between the .243 and 708. It is, IMO, the most versatile cartridge out there. The only drawback is that it hasn't caught on as much as the 708 and ammo can be harder to find.
     
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