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25 06 VS 243 for Deer Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by DKA, Sep 18, 2008.

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  1. DKA

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    Does the 25 06 actually perform better all around than the 243 for Deer?
     
  2. rangerruck

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    yes, especially at longer distances; unless you are shooting some high b.c. 243 bullets, a 120 grain 25. has some great cruising speed... and very flat.
     
  3. williamd

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    This one should be fun!!:D

    The 25-06 is a great round. So is the 257, loaded right. 243 is small for some deer sized game (ok, have at me!) and large for varmints. I own a couple of 243s but mostly go for the 25-06 or the 22-250 depending on what I am after. Even the 222, which is still one of the greatest rounds of all time, goes with me after coyotes.
    I played 'find out' on coyotes a few years ago with many rounds from 222 to 375. What dropped them THERE? 22-250 or 220 Swift. Large calibres bored large holes and coyotes often traveled a long way with a hole all the way through. The 22-250 and Swift never exited the coyote. Yep, SX or Blitz bullets loaded to ~3300. Fast 243/244/6mm, even 25 and 270 were okay, but .... Yea, 223 was okay, too, but it ain't a 22-250.
     
  4. Shawnee

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    As strictly a deer caliber, the .25/06 is a shade or two more than one needs, and the .243, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are better choices from strictly power and "user-friendly" standpoints.

    However - the .25/06 is also probably the closest it gets to a legitimate (and very good) "varmint-deer-elk" caliber. That's true for the fellow who uses (due to choice or necessity) factory ammo and that is a hugely important fact.

    It's even more true for the knowledgable reloader.

    The .25/06 can be criticized for being a "long-action" caliber. But that's important to some people and not to others. It can be criticized for needing full-length (or longer) rifle barrels to produce its' benefits. But that's important to some people and not to others. It can be criticized for being quite loud with some of its' loads, and that is important.... especially in target shooting and varminting where many shots may be fired in a relatively short period of time. But target shooters and varminters can (and should) wear ear protection.
    It can be criticized for having more recoil that the .243 or other quarterbores and that's important... especially when target shooting or varminting because recoil never brings anything positive to the party.

    :cool:
     
  5. NCsmitty

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    And this is from Shawnee! :what:

    The 25-06 Rem is a superb all-around caliber and is a noticeably better deer cartridge than the 243 Win. The extra powder capacity gives the 25-06 the edge against the efficient 243 case whether talking deer or varmints, especially when handloading. Actually, handloading the 257 Roberts to it's full potential gives a deer caliber that is superior to the 243 due to the ability to handle the heavier bullets with more powder capacity. Still, the 243 is a good varmint round as is the 22-250. :)

    NCsmitty
     
  6. ranger335v

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    "...the .243, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are better choices from strictly power and "user-friendly" standpoints."

    Strongly concur, at least for whitetail. They simply aren't all that hard to kill guys!

    And I agree that the 25-06 is slightly better. And that the .270 is better yet. And the -06 is better than the .270. A .300 is better than an -06. But, once we reach a level of sufficent power and trajectory, it's achedemic stuff anyway and doesn't mean much in the field.

    The .243, .244, .250, .260, .257 and 7-08 are interchangeable white tail rounds.
     
  7. JonB

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    Yup. Never met a mule deer or Whitetail or even an antelope that my .243 was enough. And those were MT deer, not the dog sized deer found in some parts of the country.

    You simply don't need a bigger caliber for deer. Any one of those listed would be a great deer rifle assuming good shot placement.

    But if a 25-06 tickles your fancy, buy it. If the idea of having 'more than I need' is to your liking then the 25-06 would be a good choice. Or a .270, or a .308
     
  8. browningguy

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    Yes the 25-06 is a better long range round for hunting. And I don't own one, but I do own a .243 and find it's an excellent cartridge. If I need more than a .243 then I go ahead and move up to a .270/7mm class cartridge.
     
  9. Shawnee

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    "If I need more than a .243 then I go ahead and move up to a .270/7mm class cartridge."

    EXACTLY !


    Personally, my choice is the 7mm/08 , but solely because it is a short-action caiber and that helps with getting good eye relief with many scopes.
    If I couldn't have a 7mm/08, I would simply get a .270 and go hunting.

    If I were forced to have one caliber for "varmints-to-elk" it would be a .25 or .26 caliber for sure.

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    I think there is a better selection of high BC bullets for the 243, although I haven't tried the new Berger 25s. Made the greatest shots of my hunting career with a 25-06 though. I'd probably consider the two interchangable.
     
  11. ColeK

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    Yup, the 25-06 is an excellent cartridge for deer and smaller game. It is better than a .243 Win at longer ranges.
    I also like the .257 Roberts better than the .243 Win.


    The Ol’ Man said, “Son, don’t brag to me about how long a shot you made. Brag to me about how close you got!!!”
     
  12. El General

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    I know quite a few gentleman that cull for large South Texas ranches. These guys shoot lots of deer. often between 100-150 deer per season.

    They all shoot .25-06
     
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    25/06 vs .243

    for game larger than yotes the .243 can't do anything that the 25/06 doesn't do better. on deer sized game it's hard to tell the difference between a 25/06 with 115-120gr. bullets and a .270 with 130's.
     
  14. Shawnee

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    Swampshooter...

    "for game larger than yotes the .243 can't do anything that the 25/06 doesn't do better."

    :confused:

    If the .243 drops the deer in its' tracks - neither the .25/06 nor any other caliber can "do better".

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    Colek...

    I think the .257 Roberts is one of the most underappreciated cartridges there is. It would be great if bullet and ammo makers put a bit more effort into coming up with really good varmint bullets/ammo for it. Personally, I think it could also be perfectly viable for Elk, too.

    :)
     
  15. Art Eatman

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    For open plains country, particularly on antelope, I guess I'd go with the .25-'06 over the .243. I'd be a tad antsy on using the .25-'06 as a primary elk getter. I guess my emotional limit would involve "circumstance" where I'd want a near-perfect situation.

    Most of my 20+ .243 kills on Bambi were within a couple of hundred yards, so they were mostly neck shots. Most of these central Texas bucks dressed out around 100 to maybe 120 pounds at the largest. I took a very few 90-degree cross-body shots to the heart/lungs. None of the deer moved more than a few feet. Most just fell DRT.

    Bigger deer, longer distances, and I know from experience that my '06 works to 450 yards. (Shrug).

    Circumstance: Where you hunt, how you hunt, size of critter. I guess I either impose limits on what I'll try, or I'll set up for "worst case" scenario. :)
     
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    Flip a coin.
    Have both, and flip a coin to see which girl gets to go with me.
     
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    25-06 delivers more energy to the target than 243. The faster moving, heavier bullet has less drift in the wind on long shots. Ballistics are better than 243 in all regards.

    243 is short action, but in hunting, the idea is that "one good shot". It would seem that one would not be too concerned with the "long" action of the 25-06, here. Recoil is greater from the 25-06, but it's still not a bone breaker. Again, "one good shot" applies to recoil.

    If by some unlucky circumstance you are required to fire a follow-up, see paragraph one.

    Neither is what we in LA (Lower Arkansas) would consider a brush gun. The 30 cals are better for that, even the 30/30. Ooops, knicked a small limb. Ooops, the 25 cals are flying off into space. I know it's an exaggeration, but you get the idea.

    Dad hunts with a 300 win mag. He has NEVER had a deer run more than a few bolts. I started out with a 243 (after the 30/30 of course). I am a better marksman than the ole man. I became a better tracker because of the 243, too. I have seen an elk dropped in his tracks with a 243, and deer from my own rifle, but I think the 243 is better suited for varmint in its lighter bullet weights. You probably wouldn't want to snipe deer with a 50 cal, but can you really get too big?

    Having said all that, my deer rifle is a 257 Roberts (AMEN, SHAWNEE!). Though they're fightin' words when my baby's on the range . . . the 25-06 does out perform the 257 Roberts.
     
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    Hi Cinteel...

    "25-06 delivers more energy to the target than 243. The faster moving, heavier bullet has less drift in the wind on long shots. Ballistics are better than 243 in all regards."


    Actually… that could be debated. Here is a comparison of the .243 95gr. BTHP at mv 2900fps and the 25/06 100gr. SP at mv 3200fps. – numbers taken from the Hornady ballistics calculator.

    200yd. Velocity - 2410 for the .243 and 2473 for the .25/06
    200yd. Energy - 1225 for the .243 and 1358 for the .25/06

    But then…

    300yd. Velocity – 2184 for the .243 but only 2150 for the .25/06
    300yd. Energy – 1006 for the .243 and just 1027 for the .25/06

    400yd. Velocity – 1971 for the .243 and only 1853 for the .25/06
    400yd. Energy - 819 for the .243 and only 763 for the .25/06

    The .25/06 100-grainer also starts a steeper drop than the .243 around 350yds.

    Which bullet drifts less in the wind is determined by how fast a bullet sheds its' velocity - the faster it loses velocity the more vunerable it is to wind. With the ammo used above - that would be the .25/06.

    For the above comparison I used bullets close in weight. Obviously - the .25/06 user can go to 120gr. bullets to get matching flight performance (or better) but the chief result is more blast and recoil. The deer will never know the difference.

    The .257 Roberts was originally designed to launch the 87gr. bullet of the day at about 3000fps. and that, too, compares favorably to the performance of the 100-grainer from a .25/06.

    All that is to say that where the .25/06 (finally) outclasses the .243 and .257 Roberts is with the heavier bullets intended to be used on Elk and larger game.

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    For overall destruction capability, there is no comparison, the .25-06 is a flat shooting killing machine. But, if you're talking about overall capability, there are few whitetail hunting situations where the .25-06 is patently superior to the .243 or other calibers of that family.
     
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    Nicely stacked Shawnee, as usual. Try comparing equal style bullets in each caliber for an honest evaluation for a change. You knew someone would call you on that one.

    NCsmitty
     
  22. Shawnee

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    Hi NCSmitty...

    Instead of trying to flame me with your (usual) unsubstantiated accusations - how about you put up the numbers of the bullets you feel are "equal in style".

    Go ahead - do it - here's your chance to put your numbers where your mouth is.

    :)
     
  23. Jst1mr

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    Why does this always turn into the same tiresome argument?
     
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    Mabye some people don't like the .243, or mabye this guy has something against Shawnee:confused:
     
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    Use the right bullet and the animal won't know what hit them.

    Whatever you do, go with the heavy end of the spectrum in both cartridges and go for heart/lung shots. I've seen light varmint bullets blow up on a rib and heavy bullets not penetrate shoulders, making for long nights trailing, even with a tracking dog.
     
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