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As far as the round will go accuratley, is as far as I can kill. I primarily aim for the neck, so eithier it's a clean miss, or they drop. At longer ranges I aim either right behind the shoulder blade, so it goes straight to the heart, or the center of the shoulder so it breakes the bone and they can't run. I've never had a deer run off on me. A lot of hunters aim for the rib cage which is idiotic as all the organs you need to hit to drop a deer quick are in the head, neck, and shoulder.
 
Texas, must be a nice place

Nearly all the rest of the country considers a .223 to be a varmint round, and not suitable for deer. While virtually any bullet will kill, sport hunting should be done with rounds that will do the job humanely.

Using the .223 for deer (where legal) requires both pin point accuracy, AND proper bullet selection. I use the .223 for varmints, using bullets in the 52gr-55gr range. These bullets are designed to expand violently when they encounter minimal resistance. A twig, or even a blade of grass can cause them to "blow up" These bullets are not at all suitable for deer hunting, they lack the penetration needed to reach vital organs. They are capable of creating a massive surface wound, which is not a good thing, being both inhumane, and damaging to the meat.

Heavier bullets are constructed for more penetration, but here you run into a couple of problems. One is that some of these bullets are intended for target use, and the other is the loss of velocity, particularly at extended ranges. Putting a .22 caliber hole in a deer will kill humanely, only if the shot is perfect. And perfect shots at extended ranges are on the tough side of difficult. Mostly because of wind drift.

Back when the Army issued me an M16A1, they said the max range of the 5.56mm was 460 meters, and we only shot to distances of 300 meters. Here's something to think about, using the GI 55gr bullet (not legal for hunting) for comparison, by the time it gets to 600 meters, it has the energy of a .22LR at the muzzle. Even though heavier bullets will retain energy better, this is still not a good idea for deer, even the small Texas ones.

Now the .25-06 is a different thing altogether. It will launch a bullet weighing nearly twice that of a .223, at nearly the same speed. This translates into a much higher amount of retained energy at long range, more than enough for humane kills. The .25-06 does this with a much larger case, holding nearly twice the amount of powder, and so has a greater blast and recoil than the .223. It also has the advantage of being legal for deer hunting all over the country (where ever rifles are allowed).

The ranges you state you plan to shoot at would be considered ridiculous by everyone I know, but if you are good enough to make those shots, well, perhaps you ought to be shooting competitively.

I have always felt that if you couldn't get within 300 yards of a game animal (or less), you should write yourself a letter explaning why you had to shoot at such a long distance. In triplicate. Now, shooting varmints is another matter. The sport in varmint hunting is making the long shot, not stalking close as it is with deer. I grew up hunting deer in the north woods, and woodchucks in the open fields. And that is my personal basis for defining "sport". Is it different in Texas?
 
If you take the time to crunch the numbers you'll find that at 500 yds a 120grn bullet from a 25-06, a 130grainer from a 270win and a 180grain slug from a 30-06 are all within 5 inches of each other. With the 270 shooting the flattest and the 30-06 carrying almost twice the energy of the quarter bore.

Load the 30-06 with a slippery 150grain bullet and it WILL shoot just as flat as the 25-06 out to 500yds while carrying almost 500 ft lbs MORE energy that the 25-06.

Heavy and aerodynamic <30-06> is a much better suited to long range big game hunting than light and fast (25-06)
 
I use 55gr softpoints, Remington Core-Lokt to be exact. Down here we can get long-range shots. While uncommon, there are places where you can get 1000yd shots. I wouldn't recomend trying it though. And to give you an idea of me and my dad's skills, we shoot acorns off of trees at 100yd. An acorn is smaller than a deer's eye. December 31 of 2006, I shot an 8-point buck at 300yd with my .223. The bullet had hit less than 1/4 in from my point of aim and had dropped him in his tracks. If I can figure out how, I'll put a pic on soon. No deer I have ever shot with the .223 has gone more than 30yd. IMHO those who don't have enough confidence in their shooting ability to take a deer at 300yd with a .223 should either go down to Texas and get some teenage redneck teach them how to shoot, or stay out of the woods and keep the game safe.
 
we shoot acorns off of trees at 100yd. An acorn is smaller than a deer's eye.




YOU AND YOUR DAD! Both need to practice better firearms saftey:mad: Just where exactly do you think those bullets go after hitting that acorn.

http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp

Know your target and what is beyond.
Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.
 
we do this on a 160 acre ranch in the middle of nowhere with a steep hill as a backdrop. The owner and his wife are usually with us and if not, they are 200 feet higher than us, 1500yd to the right. the closest other people are at Lance Armstrong's house, 150ft higher and almost 3000yd to the left of us.
 
160 acres is NOTHING to a high powered rifle fired in an upward arc and for some strange reason I don't believe for a second that the background to your sight picture of an acorn is dirt.:rolleyes:
 
I'll get a pic up as soon as I can. You seem to forget (or you just don't know) that Central Texas has short tree's, and it's not called the HILL COUNTRY for nothing
 
Considering that I've lived in the Texas hill country, I'd still say that some of the described practices are rather reckless.

.223 was fine for the loose exotic deer in the area I lived in, though shot placement was critical. Needless to say, I'd not in good conscience attempt it at the ranges discussed.
 
The old Marine who owns the propeterty is a saftey freak when it comes to gus. Believe me, if he thought we were doing anything unsafe, he'd tell us to get the **** off of his property.
 
he does anyone know about the MOSSBERG 100 ATR is the one with the synthetic stock and its got the floating barrel i think its a really good deal and am looking to get it in the 30-06 calibre if any one has any information on it could you plzz tell me
 
The old Marine who owns the propeterty is a saftey freak when it comes to gus. Believe me, if he thought we were doing anything unsafe, he'd tell us to get the **** off of his property.


Does he know you guys are shooting acorns out of trees with high powered rifles?:rolleyes:
 
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I don't think you'll get anywhere arguing with somebody regarding the effectiveness of 25-06 at >500 yards when the consider the 22lr adequate.


As bad as I hat to admit it you've probably made the most intelligent statement in this entire thread.
 
yes Mr. Caldwell often shoots with us (sometimes with his AR, sometimes with our rifles). and the .22lr is only adequate if you shoot deer in the eye or right behind the ear, not a standard shoulder shot. As I have stated before, we believe shot placement like a religion
 
The old Marine who owns the propeterty is a saftey freak when it comes to gus. Believe me, if he thought we were doing anything unsafe, he'd tell us to get the **** off of his property.

yes Mr. Caldwell often shoots with us (sometimes with his AR, sometimes with our rifles). and the .22lr is only adequate if you shoot deer in the eye or right behind the ear, not a standard shoulder shot. As I have stated before, we believe shot placement like a religion

Then he's not much of a safety freak if he's shooting up into trees with you guys:eek:
 
The old Marine gunsmith consters shooting at acorns 6-7ft off the ground from the hood of a truck with a steep hill that rises several hundred feet as a backdrop to be a lot safer than his unit's rifle range in Vietnam. Two people died on that range, and one had his hand blown off by a .45. The only thing getting hurt here, are dirt and acorns.
 
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Shot placement is important, Yes. Here's the deal, deer don't hold still, wind isn't completely predictable, and you are human. If you think that all of your shots are always going to be perfect, then you haven't hunted enough. That's why you use something that is arguably overkill, and take shots that have an acceptable margin of error.

You'd also be amazed at how well a deer's skull can deflect bullets.
 
I have missed several times, each time I saw the dirt kick up in the scope but still checked the area within a 100yd radius for blood and hair. Every deer I have hit, had dropped after a few yards (if they moved at all). And the little 55grain soft point has a habit of mushrooming, tumbling and fragmenting, haking it difficult to distinguish organs out of th mush. One deer I shot in the spine, the bullet destroyed his heart, lungs, and many non-vital organs before exiting his left hindquarter. when I opened him up to feild dress him, blood squirted all over my face. Not exactly pleasant, but it was funny
 
"Within 1/4" of my point of aim??? What, were you aiming at a tick on the deer's side???? Look, I'm glad that you're the Buffalo Bill of deer hunters, but really, 500 yard shots at that many deer??? I could understand if it was an absolute trophy buck, but maybe you guys need to think of moving your stand to get a little closer to the action. That, or get a nice 7mm Rem mag, 300 Win Mag, or maybe a 50 BMG (or at least a 308).
 
""Within 1/4" of my point of aim??? What, were you aiming at a tick on the deer's side???? Look, I'm glad that you're the Buffalo Bill of deer hunters, but really, 500 yard shots at that many deer???"

LOL...Remington's own ballistic chart shows a 55 grain pointed soft point, zeroed at 200 yards, drops 58.6" at 500 yards. So the deer would have to be standing on his hind legs to get your cross-hairs on him...unless he was standing on his hind legs eating acorns!
 
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Hi all, my name is Shadow Shock and I'm a troll....

Really, I don't think you are going to get many people here to pull off there BS filters long enough to believe most of your posts. Entirely too many responsible, knowledgable hunters and here to buy into bullcrap.
 
I recently purchased a Ruger #1 single shot in .25-06 from a neighbor as the price was right.
I'm working up reloads around 117 grain Sierras and Hornady bullets as the rifle will be used for deer hunting with some shots around 250 yards(realisticly) and I prefer the heavier bullets for that range.
I did well with a Model 70 Roberts at the same ranges so the .25-06 should do well also.
Zeke
 
by my point of aim I don't mean where I actually put the crosshairs, I mean were I was aiming for. The deer I shot at 300yd I was holding the crosshais a few inches above his spine, and a little to the right to compensate for the wind. I would have never expected the bullet to hit so close to where I wanted it to, that's just the way it happened. and atblis, the range usualy within 20yd of what I estimate it to be. After we feild dress the deer, my dad (and anyone else there) estimates it also, then we pace it out. And I normally hunt from the ground, not stands. I find it easier to get comforatable, and I can use my favorite rest (my knee). I am not trying to act like the "Buffalo Bill of deer hunters" as krimme so subtly put it, I was simply asking for information on a caliber I am unframilliar with. I only listed my skills so I could get a comparative etimate of what I could do with the larger round. Instead I was assaulted with a hail of ignorance and bias that astounds me to hear coming from experienced hunters.
 
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