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.25 good or bad for stopping someone

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by PANCH, Aug 30, 2011.

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  1. PANCH

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    maybe you guys can help me, is a .25 revolver a good enough gun to stop someone, or is a .22 better. thanks
     
  2. Maple_City_Woodsman

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    For the no surely numerous doubters, YES there are .25 revolvers floating around out there. .25acp revolvers (with safety levers no less) were once common carry pieces in France and Belgium in times past.

    Real world numbers from a .25 auto and .22LR in equal barrel lengths are essentially the same.

    Lots of people on the errornet saying the .22LR is more powerful. Those are the ones who are fast at checking Wikipedia, and slow at noticing details like test barrel lengths, or real chronograph data.

    Both are functionally equivalent when launched from identical platforms.

    Both suck compared to all larger cartridges.

    Both are far better than fists or harsh words.
     
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  3. Shadow 7D

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    While I doubt that anyone would like to be shot by one
    most people find that a .32 is a better choice

    It has a reputation of not being a good manstopper
    which may mean that people need to aim better
    or it lacks the penetration to hit a vital organ.
     
  4. barneyrw

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    I may be wrong but does anyone make a .25 caliber revolver?
     
  5. Shadow 7D

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    yes, but not lately
    Europeans used to make 'Velodogs'
    basically cheap small cal revolvers for bicyclist to carry (concealed BTW) to take care of dogs.
    there were many made in the early 1900's especially In Belgium and spain.
     
  6. oldfool

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    No

    not even much good for dog stopping much less people stopping
    (better than a loud shout for help... but not by much)
    go with 22WMR vs either 25acp or 22LR rimfire
    but, as mentioned above, 32 would be a better choice than any of those three
     
  7. PRM

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    Wouldn't be my first choice for self defense. Too many better choices out there. But, both will and have stopped people dead.

    Of the two, I like the 22LR. It's cheap and fun to shoot. I grew up in a rural farming community where just about everyone had a .22 rifle in their truck to take care of stock predators and varmints. Even seen them used to put a few hams in the smoke house and sausage in the freezer. Always worked then.

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    A sheriff was attending an old fashion South Texas BBQ when he was approached by an liberal, anti-gun, news reporter. Who looking at his sidearm, asked him if he was expecting trouble. The sheriff smiled and said, "no, if I was expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."
     
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    :) I would choose the 22LR over the 32ACP because ammo is cheaper and you can buy it anywhere. Don
     
  9. madcratebuilder

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    Here is a study of various calibers and there effectiveness on stopping power.

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/printable/node/7866

    I have two .25acps pocket autos that I carry when dressed light, I don't feel under gunned at all.

    Bullet size and energy are important, bullet placement is king.
     
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    I guess I'm curious why the OP asks? Are you considering a .25 caliber handgun? Is there a particular reason you're considering a .25 caliber handgun over something reputably stronger?
     
  11. tpelle

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    Back when KY first got concealed carry, one of the "early adopters", an older retired gentleman who was taking a walk in one of the local parks for his health, was accosted by one of the young local thugs-to-be. The gentleman drew his .25 ACP automatic, stuck it in thug-to-be's nostril, and pulled the trigger. Thug-to-be became thug-never-was.

    It's all about shot placement.
     
  12. pazz

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    .25 doesn't have a lot of stopping power. Much better options out there
     
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    To the question of whether .22 is better, I would answer yes. .22 LR uses a similar bullet weight as .25 ACP, and at higher speeds for more muzzle energy.

    .22 WMR is superior still.
     
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    The only real life experience I can offer goes both ways. In the late 80's I responded to a call of a person shot, when I arrived I found a male that had been shot center in the forehead with a .25 and the bullet (FMJ) had failed to penetrate the skull and had traveled around the side of his head and lodged in his ear. He walked to the ambulance. More recently I rode duty with my son and we responded to a homicide where a man shot his neighbor with a .25 at 25 feet, and dropped him like a sack of hammers with 2 shots (also FMJ's). So the clear answer is maybe! :rolleyes:

    LD45
     
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    True enough.

    However, there are occasions when the up-the-nostril shot does not present itself. Some of us would like a bit more flexibility in shot choices, hence our preference for larger, more powerful chamberings.
     
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    Price for non Yugo made .25 ACP is pretty high.
    I would pass on the .22 and .25 and get at least a KelTec P32.
     
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    The .25 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge, which is also known as the .6.35mm Browning in Europe and elsewhere, is still popular with a lot of folks who don't follow or care about gun forums or the latest tactical inovations.

    As for the .22RF vs. .25 question. At one time I knew a member of the UK's famous SAS special forces outfit that had used both. When I chided him about the fictional Agent James Bond and his .25 Beretta he explained that the choice of any weapon depended on the nature of the mission, and the circumstances involved. When it came to an ultra-small pistol, the .25 was prefered because the center-fire primer was more reliable then the .22 RF, and the full jacketed bullet offered better penetration, that given the limited power of the cartridge was of critical importance. Training and practice along with precise bullet placement was expected to offset the obvious negatives over a larger, more powerful round.

    He had absolutely no concern over the relative cost of the respective ammunition. :scrutiny:
     
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    My post was a little tongue-in-cheek, there. The point I was making is that a BB gun, fired up a nostril, would probably take the fight out of anyone.

    I personally wouldn't rely on a .25 ACP for defense. but then again, I tend to carry a .380 ACP a lot. Lots of folks roll their eyes at that.

    I used to carry a 1911 in .45 ACP, but got tired of always having to hike my britches up.
     
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    Either is better than a sharp stick, and as Old Fluff mentioned, center fire is more reliable than rim fire. So, I would pick 25ACP with just those two options.

    I guess if you've got it, use it. If you're shopping for a SD gun, go for something bigger.
     
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    I pocket carried a .25 acp before I bought a derringer for pocket carry.
    I know Cobra Arms makes a derringer in .25 acp.
    I've never seen a .25 acp revolver, but I know have to exist somewhere.
     
  22. MUSICALGUNNUT45

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    I wouldn't trust my life 25. And personally I think the practical use of the cartridge has declined as firearms technology improves. I mean they have 380s and 32s now that are just as small and considerably lighter than the 25s that were made 50 years ago. I'd say spring for a kahr p380 or something similar. It's practically as small as the old colt 25s and packs a much bigger punch, I mean don't get me wrong 25 will kill you but so can bb guns and I wouldn't want to defend myself with one of those either.
     
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    I don't know of any 32s or 380s as small as my Beretta 950BS. Thats why I own it. It will fit when a bigger gun will not. I have no delusions about its ability to stop. But having this gun when I can't have any other makes me feel safer.

    And the people that say they would rather have a 22 than a 25 because the ammo is cheaper makes no sense to me. So what? Cheaper doesn't make it better. Cheaper is not the question. I don't care what 25 ACP cost. I don't shoot that much of it. The cost is not a factor when I am certain the round will feed and will go off because of the centerfire priming. That makes it worth every cent they charge for it.

    The OP asked if the 25 was a good stopper. In most cases no. With a well placed shot or better "shots" it will do. It has "done" many times in the past. The link in post #9 makes a good read. And it makes a lot of sense. The tiny guns are hard to shoot well when shooting targets. When used for PD they may be very hard to hit with.

    I like this article on stopping power of rounds.

    http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs3.htm#The Myth of Energy Transfer
     
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    My brother carries my atomic 25acp handloads for shooting through elk skulls.
     
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