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2nd Greatest Gun Designer

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ducktapehero, Mar 25, 2004.

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  1. ducktapehero

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    I saw the thread about the poll on who is the greatest gun designer of all time. As of this writing John Browning is the unanimous winner. I thought it would be interesting on who y'all thought was the 2nd best.
     
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    eugene stoner.
     
  4. Jim K

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    Based on sheer number of guns of his design made, Kalashnikov wins hands down. Gene Stoner is up there, but nowhere near close.

    Based on the number of different designs actually produced, John Pedersen, Thomas C. Johnson, and Bill Ruger come to mind.

    Jim
     
  5. PALEFACE

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    i think it's a toss up between eugene stoner, gaston glock or kalishnikov. i hope i didn't murder their names.
     
  6. PALEFACE

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    the united states could have flooded the market with M-16's just like the russians did. i wouldn't say kalashnikov is great because of the number of his weapons are on this planet. he is great because he created a cheap reliable avtomat that continues to be a threat on the modern battle field.
     
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    i agree about kalisnakov very reliable. eats anything performs flawlessly. my ar choked on its very first round and seemed to not do any better so i sold it and got an m1a
     
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    ducktapehero...you may want to consider making this into a Poll.

    I vote Kalashnikov.:)
     
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    Of course at some point you have to ask yourself what exactly "greatest" means.
    Obviously outside of John Browning the AK carbine has produced the most numbers and does a good job. It performs it's job as well today as it ever did. It is still in service in a modified form in many countries and is still in service in third world countries in it's original form. But Kalashnikov was a one trick dog.
    I am not sure about the history of Bill Ruger and how many of that compainies firearms were designed by him. If he designed them all or even most of them he certainly deserves mention. In addition he built his company from nothing to what it is today which is more than pretty much any other gun designer did. John Browning sold very few of the guns he made himself, he sold the designs to other companies. Kalashnikov worked for the state and didn't even make much money with his design. Stoner didn't manufacture his own guns, he sold the design. Ruger not only designed guns but made them a financial success story.
     
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    Ruger designed, all alone, one gun, the Standard Model .22 pistol. While he was the inspiration, lead designer and resident genius behind all the other Ruger guns, others participated in the team efforts.

    Jim
     
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    Bainx, the reason I didn't make this a poll is because I couldn't list enough. Plus I'm sure there are some who very few people even think about. A great one not mentioned is Mr. Garand(I don't know his 1st name). He has quite a few rifles that are based on his design. The Henry designed lever action rifle is another. Hiram Maxim is another.
     
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    Hiram Maxim. Heck, I'd put him neck 'n neck with John Browning himself because between the two of them they codified the basic principles of modern weapons design.

    After them I'd put Paul Mauser and Sam Colt. Stoner, Kalishnikov, Ruger and all the others are Johny come lately's in comparision.
     
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    I'll throw my hat in for John C. Garand.
     
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    I can't speak too intelligently on this, but I don't think Ruger comes close to being innovative. As for Colt, did he come up with the revolver? If not, then I wouldn't put him in, either. Maybe that Henry guy, but I can't be sure. No flames intended.
     
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    Stoner or Johnny C.
     
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    Samuel Colt.

    While he wasn't the most proliferic, he was one of the most important.

    We don't know who invented the wheel. But we know who practicalified the wheelgun.

    Even though he really wasn't a designer, Eli Whitney made mass production of firearms a reality.
     
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    I'll go with Maxim. "Mister Automatic"
     
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    Dieudonne Saive. He designed the FN49 and FAL, and finished the design of the P35 (HiPower).
     
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    Wasn't there a big ruckus about how Stoner didn't really "design" the critical features of the M16? If he did design it all, that's a LOT of innovation. Same goes with Glock, but with handguns.

    Kalashnikov's design basically took all the good parts from the SKS and StG44 and fused them with some other innovations. He really was a one-trick pony, but when that one trick is the most (in)famous, reliable assault rifle ever fielded, it's one hell of a pony!

    Ruger had a hand in the designs of many guns (yes, I have forgiven him for the hi-cap ban :cool: ). He was good at taking classic actions/styles (Luger/Mauser/etc.) and modernizing them for production.

    Colt is probably my second choice, with Kalashnikov/Stoner/Glock/Ruger taking third, depending on if you value a good design that's based on something else (AK-47), or a nearly completely new concept (M16).
     
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    I'll vote for Mr. Mauser. His 106 year old design is still up to date.
     
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    "As for Colt, did he come up with the revolver?"

    Yes. God created all mankind equal - S. Colt backed him up.
     
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    I'd say Colt or Mauser, with Maxim close runner up.


    Mr. Kalashnikov was not a "one trick wonder" (That'd be Garand), he designed a submachine gun, then the AK47, then the AKM, the PK series machine guns, the RPK squad auto rifle (A larger AK), he influenced the design of the Dragunov sniper rifle. The AK 74 and AK 100/101/103 designs, as well as the Bizon SMG all have either been directly designed by him, or by his bureau of designers under his influence.


    The Dragunov, AK 74M, PKM and Bizon are all currently in service with Russia.


    Colt came out with a mess of revolver designs before he died and proved the idea. Mauser made the most successful bolt action design in history. Maxim proved machine guns worked (before Browning all the WW1 heavy machine guns were Maxim designs, even the Vickers).

    Ruger was a "Modifier" he's always taken other designs and modified or made them better. Aside from the Mk II none of his ideas broke new ground,he just made the idea better or cheaper. The 10/22 is the other "new" one I think.
     
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    John Pedersen, as chief designer for Remington for many years, would have to be on the list.
     
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