3,000 fps Turkish steel jacketed 8mm versus CATI level IV ceramic body armor

[chopinbloc]

154 gr steel jacketed 7.92x57mm Turkish surplus fired from WWI Gewehr 98 Mauser rebuilt by the Turks to M38 (WWII) specifications style rifle at a CATI level IV ceramic plate backed by clay to measure back face deformation. More info on the ammo: http://www.turkmauser.com/ammo.aspx


https://youtu.be/5ygfIKHGBFs


Care to make a prediction?

 

[entropy]

OUCH!

Great video, as always!

 

[chopinbloc]

Thank you!

 

[BigBore44]

Yeah. OUCH!!! I'd much prefer a clean miss. The man (or woman) wearing that is probably still out of the fight with broken ribs and or sternum and possible pneumothorax. But most likely will survive. But they'll probably think they are dying.

 

[strambo]

Yay, I got it right. Did you measure the back face deformation?

 

[chopinbloc]

I did measure it, but the video got pretty bad about that time, with lots of wind, shaking, and shooting from other people at the range. I got 1.6", though. That's just below the limit for NIJ standards. My clay isn't the right type, though, and it isn't in a proper fixture, so the actual measurement could be above or below that. Tests like mine are never conclusive and should only be taken as a rough indication of the potential for performance.

 

[1911 guy]

I guessed right (and it was only guess because I'm not familiar with the ammo or the newer armor). But that deformation looked ugly. I'd take a kick in the jimmy before volunteering to take that kind of trauma. When I see tests like this, I'm reminded of the first bullet-proof vest tests. Dude shoots another dude wearing the vest.

 

[BigBore44]

If I remember right, the first bullet proof vests tests, the guy who designed the vest shot himself. Talk about faith in your product!

 

[Deanimator]

Just as an aside, Turkish surplus ammunition has a VERY poor reputation and has been known to blow guns up. The theory is that the coating/configuration of the powder grains has deteriorated over time, causing it to burn MUCH faster than intended.

 

[Slamfire]

Just as an aside, Turkish surplus ammunition has a VERY poor reputation and has been known to blow guns up. The theory is that the coating/configuration of the powder grains has deteriorated over time, causing it to burn MUCH faster than intended.

That is a good assumption.

 

[chopinbloc]

I am not an expert, but other folks have said that the Turk ammo is safe only in certain Mausers. "Large ring" I think?

 

[Devonai]

Is it bad that I've seen Saving Private Ryan so many times that I can recognize a 0.5 second sound clip from the movie?

 

[Deanimator]

I am not an expert, but other folks have said that the Turk ammo is safe only in certain Mausers. "Large ring" I think?

Considering that it's blown up highly collectible machine guns, I wouldn't shoot it in ANYTHING.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Wow that's impressive! I wonder what a .300 Winnie Mag could do if loaded up with one of those WW2 .30-06 AP rounds? Has anyone ever done anything like that?

 

[SeanSw]

I had to kick the bolt open on my old Argentine Mauser when using this ammo.