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30 06 crazyness

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by D*N*R*, Feb 22, 2012.

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  1. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

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    As I said, I was happy with my results. SFAIK, both rifles were 1:10 twist.
     
  2. MachIVshooter

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    Slow twists may not stabilize heavy bullets, but fast twists will always stabilize lighter bullets. The issue becomes bullet RPM; Lighter bullets are faster, which means in a given twist rate, they're spinning faster. Spin them too fast, they come apart. It happened to a lot of guys back in the day trying to run lightly constructed .22 Hornet bullets in .22-250 and .220 swift at well over 4,000 FPS. A 1:12 twist and a MV of 4,400 FPS = 264,000 RPM
     
  3. D*N*R*

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    I keep trying to ask someone to show me 30 06 or any cal. can group with 100 grain bullet weight swing - out of the same barrel. Its just i only see 30 06 guys claim it. Now i see 55 grain accelerator round? WHO the heck sells 55 grain and ?what 220 grain bullets for the same rifle(meant for or not) all-yaall (not all) keep using that as a reason 30 06 is the way to go for everyone asking what would be best for them. REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT GETS UNDER MY SKIN. Good you like it> If i go elk or bear hunting sign me up for a 30 06.(prob.270wsm or 7mm rem mag.) but i can make a 06 work. Heck it's my favorite round<a hair wider bullet>
     
  4. jimmyraythomason

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    The lightest bullet I've used is 125grn and the heaviest is 180 in both my Howa 1500 and custom Mauser 98 sporter with a Husqvarna 640 barrel. Both rifles group both loads equally well(scope adjustments necessary with same poa). I have shot 220 grns but never for groups and they are much too heavy for anything I hunt so I've had no reason to find out how they shoot. The Howa has a 20" barrel and the Mauser has a 22" barrel.
     
  5. skidooman603

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    Must have added Wi-Fi to the new wing? From what I gather you want to see a 110gr and a 220gr group from the same rifle, at the same distance, on the same target, to prove???? That the same rifle will show equal accuracy with the top and bottom end grain weights, or where the POI shifts to? or how dead the paper is with each weight? I would happily perform your test when enough snow is gone to get to the target board...but I'm trying to get what exactly you want someone to prove to you with an 06...can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked into this..to top it all off, I will do it with an 03A4 75 year old rifle...But I'm sure the results will make you believe I cheated. As you stated from the outset...
     
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  6. jpwilly

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    D*N*R, The 30-06 does have 110 thru 220 grain factory ammo available and one can handload an even wider range of options. Whether you believe that or not doesn't change that fact. I've shot 150sp 165sp 168 175 180 and 200 grain bullets from mine all grouped well. I have no use for 110's out of mine because my varmint rig is a different rifle and caliber. Although I'm certain a 110 out of my 30-06 would work but I've never tested it.
     
  7. skidooman603

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    The Dude wants to see it on paper...I love the 06 enough and am always game on a challenge, I will show him in black and white. My Old 03A4 did much harder things in WW2..Get a day above 40 degrees and less than 2 feet of snow on the firing line...I will revisit this farce of a thread. For now..argue with an idiot, and you bring yourself to their level...:scrutiny:
     
  8. skidooman603

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    See ya in about 30 days...:D
     
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  9. Kachok

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    I only load my 06 with 150-180gr, I don't varmint hunt so I don't have any loads worked up for 110-125gr, and there are no brown bear around here so I don't need 200-240gr but I have known people who have shot all of the above with a 1:10 twist and were happy with the results. As long as the bullets has enough spin to stabalize it should group well once you get the load right. If you are worried about the light bullets, tight twists (1:9 or faster) have been used for years with 6.5x55s, 243s and 223s for varmint with exellent results, though slow twists are a little easier on the pressures if you are trying to get crazy speeds such as the 1:12-14 of a 22-250. For the heavy bullets 1:10 twist in 30 cals is well proven to stabalize 220gr bullets and some have even claimed very good results with bullets up to 250gr. The 240gr Weldcore was designed for the 1:10 twist 30-06 and all sources that I have found claim it shoots very good. Remember that it is the length of the bullet and not the weight that you have to stabalize, a 180gr tipped boat tail should be about the same length as a 220gr flat base round nose. So yes the 06 really is THAT versitle. In fact it is the most useful caliber out there for the non-handloader, though if you can roll your own the 7x57, 280Rem, 6.5x55 and 7mm Rem Mag are top picks too.
     
  10. Boomie

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    I don't think I've ever seen 100 grain rounds for a 30-06. Mine will shoot the 125 (reduced recoil), 150, 180 and 200 grain rounds and get good (1-1.5 MOA) groups (although to different points of impact). I don't really want to buy 55 grain accelerators as they are expensive and I hear they leave sabot goo in your barrel.
     
  11. BCRider

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    DNR, maybe try to write your posts up so they look a little less like someone that slung paint at a wall. Compose your thoughts into clear sentances. And don't present it so much as a "double dog dare ya" sort of manner. Instead more as a friendly wager sort of way.

    What you're asking would take a LOT of testing. It requires finding a powder and amount that will work best with each weight of bullet. And then when it's all done seeing if they all managed to shoot to sub MOA or not.

    Also not all the rifles used by everyone may be as flexible in such a wide range of loads. So it's not only the ammo but the rifle itself that you're asking to be tested.
     
  12. Jeeping

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    I think what OP is after is that same rifle shooting light and heavy bullet equally well. I dont think his trolling (maybe a little), just wants to see if some one done any shooting with those types of weights in same rifle. Sense every body who recommends 30 06 instead of 308 always say that 06 will shoot 200gr and 308 wont.
    If it help any DNR, I shoot 7.62x54r with 200gr and 100gr bullets. Lighter bullet seems a little less accurate.
     
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