Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

.30-06 Loads With Ball Powder

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Havok7416, Mar 5, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,014
    Location:
    Kentucky
    So I am taking apart some loads for a friend who supposedly had some reloads with bad powder. Aside from the fact that most of the rounds are NOT reloads and have original primer and bullet seals intact, I have a problem. Specifically, one of the cartridges (LC 65) has ball powder inside. Were .30-06 military cartridges ever loaded with any kind of ball powder?

    I can't remember what weight the bullet is as it's in a bin full of take-downs.

    ETA: There appear to be a few flakes of 4895 or similar stick powder mixed in which seems odd to me.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Messages:
    59,082
    Location:
    Eastern KS
    Yes, 30-06 AP & Tracer was loaded with WC 852, which is ball powder.

    It wasn't bright blue like your photo though!!

    rc
     
  3. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    12,710
    Location:
    Happy Valley, UT
    But it was blurry...
     
  4. CLP

    CLP Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,032
    Location:
    Alabama
    I think that might be photographic artifact and not actually blue. OP, what was the color?

    On the topic of ball powders and .30-06, is there any current load data of such a combination?
     
  5. cag215

    cag215 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    25
    Location:
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    30-06 & Ball Powder - Hodgdon Load data.....
    150 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H335 .308" 3.250" 47.0 2785 42,500 CUP 51.5 2982 49,200 CUP
     
  6. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    17,612
    Location:
    Illinois
    Wow, blue powder!

    That's pretty. :)

    If you could get a hold of some pink powder I could get my girls in to reloading.

    Anodized pink shell casings would be a bonus.
     
  7. CLP

    CLP Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,032
    Location:
    Alabama
    Is the burn rate of that powder acceptable for Garands? I've only used IMR 4895 for mine, and I use a Chargemaster vs. the Dillon powder meter because of the crunchiness. That looks like it'd be great for me if it was suited for Garands.
     
  8. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Messages:
    59,082
    Location:
    Eastern KS
    From Hornady #6 load manual M1 Garand data.

    150-155 grain bullet:
    H-335
    AA-2495
    AA-2520
    N-135
    RL-12
    Varget
    H-4895

    168 grain bullet:
    AA 2495
    N-135
    H-4895
    Win-0748
    Varget
    IMR-4895
    IMR-4064
    N-140
    RL-15
    N-150
    BL-C(2)

    178 grain bullet:
    N-135
    Varget
    H-4895
    IMR-4895
    Win-748
    N-140
    IMR-4064
    N-150
    BL-C(2)
    RL-15

    rc
     
  9. NCsmitty

    NCsmitty Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2008
    Messages:
    5,325
    Location:
    North Carolina
  10. kgpcr

    kgpcr Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    357
    I have loaded a lot of 06 with H414. It shot very well for me.
     
  11. CLP

    CLP Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,032
    Location:
    Alabama
    This thread made my day! Thanks, when powders start to become available I'll work up a load for my Garand.
     
  12. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,014
    Location:
    Kentucky
    OP here, the powder in the picture is actually black. I took the picture with my phone which decided to color things up. For those of you saying you load ball powder, I am aware of powders for modern actions but the powder shown came out of a LAKE CITY 65 case and all indications are that it was an original load developed for the M1903, M1 Garand, M1941 Johnson, M1919 or BAR. There is still a red seal around the primer and the bullets are definitely sealed also. I pulled down a total of two .30-06 bullets so far loaded with the powder pictured.

    It's hard to see but there are definitely flakes of what appears to be IMR 4895 in both. This would seem to make it some kind of factory blended powder. The ratio of ball to stick powder in the mixture seems very evenly balanced between both charges (there is far more ball powder though).

    RC, the bullet was definitely not an AP or tracer. These are standard 150, 168 and 173 grain FMJ bullets.
     
  13. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,014
    Location:
    Kentucky
    My luck with this stuff just won't hold. I went to deprime one of the vintage rounds and I got a primer detonation in the press. The primer was green around the edges and no extra force was put on the primer. It blew the primer straight out of the case and deformed the crap out of it. Aside from scaring me to death there was no damage to anything. The case is stamped TW 53.
     
  14. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    12,710
    Location:
    Happy Valley, UT
    Wow.

    Those old ring-crimped M2 USGI loads' primers are REALLY in there good and tight, but the fact that one went off is scary. You deprimed nice and slow?


    BTW why were you depriming? That ammo is not corrosive and the primers are (obviously) still good...
     
  15. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,014
    Location:
    Kentucky
    I am depriming for two reasons. 1) the friend who gave me these reported that he loads that did not fire so I decided to rebuild all of them from the ground up just to be safe (that's working out well so far!). 2) I was under the impression that these loads ARE corrosive and wanted to remove the corrosive components.

    Yes, I have been depriming slowly. This was the first case I did so far that had a greenish primer. There are at least five more with the same headstamp and primer color that I will touch off empty in my gun to avoid any further surprises.
     
  16. Centurian22

    Centurian22 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2011
    Messages:
    1,233
    Location:
    Maine
    Wow, quite the undertaking. Sounds like a much safer revised method. I never thought about the added 'risk' of depriming crimped cases (as I've never needed to). Don't forget to clean the gun after setting them off, especially suspecting corrosives.

    NCsmitty: I use imr4895 in my .308, always looking to learn about alternatives though especially in these times of shortage. Do you have any data or knowledge of the temperature sensitivity of A2520? I have heard ball powders are/can be more sensitive. Though I also recently heard that IMR4895 may be temp sensitive as well even though I was under the impression it wasn't. Lesson learned in not believing everything you read on the interwebs. Just a noobie reloader trying to learn what I can. Sorry for the thread hijack.
     
  17. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,014
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Centurian, no worries here. Anytime corrosive ammo is suspected in my milsurps I clean them up immediately. Now I just need to get the remaining 100 or so rounds taken down and deprimed.
     
  18. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    12,710
    Location:
    Happy Valley, UT
    Have a look here and see what you think. Short answer is if it's USGI, made after 1952, it's not corrosive with very few exceptions.


    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=392180&highlight=corrosive


    excerpt:
    Obviously if you have some WWII stuff (I have some AP from that era) it's corrosive.
     
  19. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,014
    Location:
    Kentucky
    I have a mixture of WWII and post-WWII. The earliest headstamps I have seen in this pile are a DEN (Denver Arsenal?) and a LC, both 43. Thank you for the valuable information!

    I guess the primer that exploded was a Twin Cities. Still not sure why it did that but it's worth noting.
     
  20. chris in va

    chris in va Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2005
    Messages:
    6,097
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    After buying my CMP Garand three years ago, I got curious and dismantled an HXP 70's vintage case. To my surprise, the powder was actually spherical, like little ball bearings.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page