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30-06 or the 300 RUM

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mr Bernoulli, Nov 1, 2007.

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  1. Mr Bernoulli

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    Ok I am a fairly new hunter and have mostly been hunting birds and have a rem 870 supermag which I love. Now I want to start big game hunting. I am stuck trying to decide between the 30-06 and the 300 RUM. I will be hunting deer mostly right now but eventually since I will be a doctor I would like to travel and do guided hunts everything from moose to grizzlies maybe someday africa. Now I either want one rifle which would be the 300 RUM because it can do dangerous game but am I correct in thinking it is small for africa? I mean if I get the 30-06 its better for deer but I dont think it would be that great for something like lions. If the 300 RUM is also incapable of doing this job also I do not want to get something just a little bigger I would rather have 2 rifles that are farther apart in performance. If the 300 RUM can do it all then I would get that but if not then the 30-06 and then something bigger later. Also I heard that the 300 RUM barrel will wear out much faster when shooting magnum loads. What is the truth in this? I do not feel recoil is much of a matter for me because I am a decent sized guy at 220 pounds and do not feel 3 1/2" shells in my supermag. Also I know the 300 RUM is great for long distances but I do not think I will see anything over 100 yds for deer hunting and am a little worried of destroying the deer. So I guess im saying I want a do it all rifle because I feel you can be much more proficient if you know a weapon that well, or two rifles, one for smaller big game (30-06) then larger big game which I can decide later. I also do not want to go to the gun cabinet and not be able to decide what I want to use so thats why only two at most. So if you think two the 30-06 and somthing else let me know what you would use for the bigger rifle. I plan on getting a rem 700 xcr my mind is made up on this but please anything to help me decide feel free. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. trueblue1776

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    If you are hunting you DON'T need to worry about RUM barrel wear, the heavy target shooters may wear one out in 5 years or so.

    I say '06, it's far more versatile and available, just with a little less punch. Plus you can go with 250gr bullets in the '06, the heaviest you get in RUM is 220gr.
     
  3. goemado

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    I would get the 30.06.

    Why?

    * That round will be available everywhere in multiple flavors (weights/brands/bullets).
    * It is much more pleasant to shoot than a mag round (my opinion - I've shot both).
    * It will kill any whitetail you'll ever come across - and a good deal of other game too (especially if you shoot it well enough to hit what you're aiming at).

    I had a buddy that decided he might go out West some day, so he wanted a rifle big enough to do the job. He picked up a .300 mag. Browning A-Bolt. Beautiful gun - which he can't shoot worth a darn (nice crescent scar above his eye from his first siting in session). One opener in Michigan, he shot at two different deer at ranges from 250 yards to 150 yards and missed every time. The gun he replaced with that cannon was a fine Win 94 30/30. Both of those deer were well within the range of the 30/06.

    If you ever expect to be shooting beyond the range of the .30/06 - I'd suggest you visit your local golf course, stand at the tee box and check out the flags on par 4's or par 5's -- then ask yourself if you'll honestly be able to place a cold bore shot into those flags from that distance during real hunting conditions (not many shooting benches out there). I certainly realize that many can - but I don't believe most could. So your realistic/capable/ethical range would likely drop to a par 3 / par 4 distance - well within the capability of a .30/06. I used to work for a manager that claimed to take regular 500+ shots at deer with a .257 Wby. I never had the chance - but I'd love to have visited a range with him that had that distance available and see if he could "put his rounds where his mouth was". I suspect that he couldn't. He talked a lot about the shot - but didn't fill a lot of tags or freezers. Lot's of long range MOA shooters on websites and around the water cooler - far fewer in the woods.

    My point is that I believe people get too hung up in buying cannon - when a majority of shooters are simply not capable of shooting them all that accurately. Both rounds in your choice are the same size (.308). But the perceived recoil is definitely not the same. Remember, it doesn't matter the trajectory or energy when you miss.

    Get something that shoots nice and easy - especailly if you're a first time shooter (I'd even think about a straight .308 rather than a .30/06 - again, the same bullet but a little better ballistics in a .308 without terrible recoil).

    Don't fall into the bigger is better trap. Most of the time, it's far more gun than you'll ever need or be able to use ethically or effectively.

    Good luck.
     
  4. Jim Watson

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    A .30-06 will handle any game in North America with the possible exception of a big bear.

    By the time you are an MD you will be able to afford a new rifle to hunt bigger game. If you cannot pick a suitable rifle for a new application, how will you ever write a prescription?
     
  5. berettashotgun

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    I don't even own a 30-06, yet your question is silly (to me :scrutiny:) why would you even think about getting something for " later on~ down the road" ?
    I hunted with a 300 win mag for years, it worked great, but went back to a 270 and the results were exactly the same. Use a 7mm remington mag or a 7mm STW nowdays, kinda real longish shots where I hunt. Gosh I love 162gr .284" bullets.
    Not any doubt, get the '06; I am POSITIVE ;)you'll be able to afford a new rifle later.
    I think I would go with a 7mm rem mag, but hey - that's how I think.
    I don't know where the rules are that say you can never get a same weight bullet in different calibers - "you can get a 250gr in a 06' ~ but not in a 300 RUM" :rolleyes: sure, right, OK
    I can get the bullet - I can load it.:neener:
     
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    Get the 06 now.

    After you become a successful and wealthy doctor you can buy a nice .375H&H for moose and bear hunting.;)
     
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    .30-06 for now - especially if you dont reload! .300RUM will break the bank if you plan to shoot it more than a couple times a year! Also, 06 ammo is much more available. Finally, as mentioned, the 06 will take anything on this continent, although I wouldnt suggest it for close range big bears.
     
  9. Mr Bernoulli

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    Ok thank you guys so far this is what I was hoping for, but like 648E said they do have the power level ammunition that would help me choose more and I would like to get into handloading as not to break the bank cause wow those 300 RUM shells are expensive... but my concern here was do they have all the recipies availble to make the loads at these levels?
     
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    06-06-06-06-06 (repeat that 100 times)
     
  11. 648E

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    $14 a box ammo beats $30 a box.

    If you're planing on needing a heavier rifle in the future there is that option. I think you could pick up an M700 in .300 RUM for ~$500, but then you still need an optic/base/rings...
     
  12. Archer1945

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    Short of the big bears the '06 will handle anything in North America, as will the .270 and .280 Remington. You might also just find out that contrary to Remington's ads the 30 RUM is not the answer to an all purpose rifle, many places in Africa have a minimum caliber of .338 and some even .375. Much of the bigger African game, not talking about the BIG 5, has to been taken at longer distances and since they are big and tough it requires a bullet with a lot of residual energy which .30 caliber bullets do not have.
     
  13. Bartkowski

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    The .30-6 is much more economical, easier on the shoulder and the barrel. The RUM will allow you to shoot further with less worry about the bullet dropping to much, but I don't think that out weighs what I find to be unfavorable.

    If you plan on hunting dangerous game, you should look for a larger caliber to go along with your 30-06. Lots of african countries have bullet diameter requirements like over .375 or over .416 for some of the bigger animals.

    And you said that you don't think you will see anything over 100 yards while deer hunting. Unless you plan on taking long shots, the 300 RUM offers little to nothing over the 30-06 other than you can say that you have one.


    I am not sure of this one because I am not a reloader, but isn't the neck on a RUM very short even for 220gr bullets?
     
  14. ArmedBear

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    I'd have to be drinking a lot of rum to buy a RUM, unless I had a specific purpose for it.:)

    .30-06 is arguably the best round in the world for a general-purpose hunting rifle. If you're not sure what you need, get a .30-06.

    (Some will argue for the 7x57 Mauser, but it's much more common outside the US.)

    The .300 RUM is a specialized, rare rifle round that is expensive and has a lot of recoil. The .30-06 is more comfortable to shoot. No matter how many rifles you may one day own, you won't regret having one.

    Get the .300 RUM (or some other specialized high-power round) when you have tickets to Africa or Alaska in your hand. And even in Africa, something like a .30-06 or 7x57 will serve quite well except on dangerous/giant game.
     
  15. ranger335v

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    I have no interest in exchanging my -06 for any magnum.

    No .30 cal is suited to really large African game so that's a moot point. IF you get to Africa, not only will a bigger rifle also be within reach but having one for big stuff and one for the rest will be the order of the day.

    The only real "all-around" cartridge is the .458. With it you can take anything from squirrels to elephants. But it will hurt you some.
     
  16. KI.W.

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    .458 Win Mag has to small case for its bullets.
     
  17. rcmodel

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    30 years from now, you will probably still be able to buy 30-06 ammo at a roadside gas-station in elk country, when you can't even get .300 RUM ammo from the Remington factory anymore!

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  18. jefnvk

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    When you are hunting in rural land, there are a few cartridges that you can get everywhere. Mostly, .30-06. Believe me, even being in a semi-decent town, nowhere around here carried .300RUM, even at sporting good stores.

    However, walk into any gas station, especially this time of year, you shouldn't have a hard time finding '06, .270 or .30-30.

    Also, as others have mentioned, .30 cal aint gonna cut it for Africa. Think about the fact that you will be spending a few thousand for the trip alone, an extra $800 or so for a new gun isn't gonna be a huge additional addon.
     
  19. esmith

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    30-06

    1. Ammo is cheaper
    2. Theres more of a variety of ammo selections.
    3. Better life.
    4. Its able to take every animal that you will be hunting in America. If you are hunting Africa, you would want something bigger than the RUM anyway.
     
  20. rcmodel

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    Just re-read this thread and discovered you consider the .300 RUM to be a bigger round then the 30-06, suitable for dangerous African game and such.

    It is not a "bigger" round, just a faster one. It is still a .30 caliber.
    And faster doesn't kill game. Hitting it in the right place kills game.

    Get a 30-06 and learn how to shoot it well.
    You will be well armed for 95% of any U.S., Canadian, Arctic, or African hunting you will ever do.

    For the other 5%, you do need a bigger rifle, not a faster one.
    Probably a .375, or larger if required by African game laws in the country you plan to hunt.

    Still, I think your deer & African "light rifle" should be a 30-06, 270, or something similar along those lines.

    Shooting a .300 RUM accurately off a bench while sighting it in is not at all the same as shooting heavy 3 1/2" shotshells standing up in a goose blind!

    I can almost guarantee you will learn to flinch badly before you learn to shoot 1" groups with a .300 RUM!

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  21. Bartkowski

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    Very true, when sighting in I notice the recoil a lot more, than standing up and shooting, or shooting something that reacts when hit, such as an animal jug of water.....
     
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    I think it has to do with acting naturally when hunting. When you sight in, you have time to sit around and think about every step to take. That means, you have time to think about the recoil is about to occur. When everythign happens automatically, you don't have that time.

    And the adrenaline flowing doesn't hurt, either ;)
     
  23. ArmedBear

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    Roy Weatherby proved that belief to be wrong, over and over again, on all sorts of game.

    Very fast, small bullets with the right shot placement will do amazing things.

    And most of what people hunt in Africa isn't elephant or rhino. Then again, that game can be hunted with a 7x57 just fine.
     
  24. George Hill

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    Or you can stop sweating this, get a .300 Win Mag or a .300 WSM and you'll be just fine for everything in North America save for certain giant white and brown bears in Alaska.
     
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    They sure will, but so will small bullets that are not relativly fast (think .22). I dont doubt that one could kill a moose with a little rimfire given good shotplacement. It wouldnt be legal, ethical, or smart, but it could be done.
     
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