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30-06 still King?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 357smallbore, Apr 20, 2019.

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  1. hps1

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    True to a point, but I wouldn't sell the "platform" short. I did for years until I began to notice the accuracy these rifles are capable of. I can remember when they first started showing up at NRA cross the course high power matches. At first they were nothing spectacular in the accuracy department and were even not allowed to shoot beyond the 600 yard stage at some matches due to the fear that the trajectory might drop bullets into the target pits. Then, with a simple change in bbl twist, came the heavier bullets, more accurate at longer ranges and the AR came of age. Not the most beautiful rifle on the line, but no trick at all today to get sub MOA accuracy out of them.

    Agree the AR15 is limited to length of cartridges that fit the magazine, but then came the AR 10 for mid-length rounds such as 243 and 308. Now as was pointed out above, someone is making an AR lower to handle 30-06 length cartridges. Did not see where the 300 WM was offered but if the action handles the '06, I'm sure someone will alter a magazine for that as well.

    I'll be surprised, short of legislative ban, if the AR's aren't here to stay.........at least until (and if) something else better comes along. :rofl:


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    Yeah you got that right as rain..... But, it's a fun post and it lets different generations have a look into what was and what is.. Interesting time capsule for me.
     
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    And of course - all of their cousins...

    It sure sounds great when you say something like that on a forum, but it really isn’t true.
     
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  4. KnightHawk

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    And the Korean war. They were surplussed out cheap, so every Joe could have a rifle. There has certainly been some improvement, couple percentage points maybe, but, dead is still dead.
     
  5. KnightHawk

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    One of the reasons for me to like the 30-06, 30-40 Army, 30-30, 303 Savage and others is the long neck. This gives versatility for hand-loading, in particular cast bullets. Yes you can use cast in about anything, but a long neck helps.
    Someone was saying that the AR might not be here to stay. I'd have to disagree. Even though I don't currently own one, I'd fight for the right to own one.
     
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  7. Paul7

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    I have an AR also and like it, I may be missing something but what's the advantage for hunting unless you're trying to wipe out a herd of wild hogs?
     
  8. hps1

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    Quick follow up shot
    I spend most of my spare time nowadays helping control predators and the landowners where I hunt insist that I eliminate any hogs I come across, as well. The availability of a quick followup shot is the main advantage for either task as multiple targets are very common and the action can be very fast.

    Ergonomics
    Coyotes pick up any movement, and will spook. The AR, with it's pistol grip allows me to sit motionless, using a set of shooting sticks, a low chair and remain in shooting position with elbows resting on knees, for an extremely stable shooting platform from which I've taken many coyotes @ 300 yds and a few beyond. Conventional stocks do not lend themselves to this position.

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    That's a good read and it goes to show you there's not as much difference as we sometimes tend to think between these calibers. I still think a 30-06 is awfully hard to beat as a do it all hunting rifle, especially in the western US or even Alaska. My number two in that role would be a 300 mag or 7mm mag but I'd give the 30-06 the edge over either one due to ammo cost and availability. If I lived back east I'd probably lean smaller for my second choice as a do it all big game caliber after the venerable '06. The only real knock on it is the recoil is a little excessive compared to the sexier mid-level calibers but that's a literal non-issue to me in a hunting rifle.
     
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    That was timely with regards to this thread. The fact is, ammunition technology is of such a nature that anything throwing lead propelled by burning gas, has a hard time getting much better than the venerable "ought-six". Page me when we get phasers or other Buck Rogers technology.
     
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    Forget about it, I had a kid from North Carolina tell me once that there were no real cowboys anymore. Half of America is completely divorced from reality.
     
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    " Old cartridges have stood the test of time because unlike the new cartridges they are made to do a job, "

    Waste of time discussing a subject with that mindset. Especially throwing a man bun fetish into the mix. Lol
     
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    That is all I was talking about. Hunting applications only.
     
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    I was only taking huning applications. 308 is used in a lot more militay applications today. Go to any hunting camp. 06 will always out number the other calibers.
     
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    Not all kings were popular...

    OP said (emphasis mine):

    There's king of sales, king of hype, king of cheap, and... king of the above bolded...
     
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    Just rename the “30-(19)06” to “30-(20)19 and start all over again.
     
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    Saying it’s so doesn’t make it so. Stats don’t lie - but liars do.

    Been to “camps” in a few dozen states as mentioned above, never have found the “.30-06 to outnumber the other calibers” - not in ANY of those states.
     
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    I never felt undergunned with 30-06!
     
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    The .30-06 was in the bottom half of service cartridges when it was introduced, and nothing has changed. It's mediocrity incarnate.

    Just for amusement I have a spreadsheet that tracks what's correctly designed and faulty about all the major western bottleneck big game cartridges in common use. There's 59 entries in the spreadsheet. The .30-06 comes in tied for #41 in terms of design quality. It's not the worst ever designed but it's working on it.
     
  21. hps1

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    Someone should have explained that to Gen. George S. Patton.....on second thought maybe not, we might have lost WWII if they had. ;)

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    I guess your scraping bottom of barrel might want to stay there.
     
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  23. KnightHawk

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    I guess it depends on "what's correctly designed" means. Or more to the point, someones opinion of "what's correctly designed" means. You know what they say about opinions, opinions are like *** holes, everybody has one.
     
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  24. Llama Bob

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    It is remarkable just how sensitive the average 30-06 fan is. The nostalgia is just pathetic :D
     
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    Sounds like the old Ford vs Chevy argument, never gonna win it either way
     
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