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30-30 150 grain

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  1. Catpop

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    Is the 30-30 150 grain a later offering!

    Reason I asked is I’ve got a number of boxes old 30-30 factory cartridges. Some even labeled full metal patch!

    And surprisingly they are all 170 grain! Not a 150 in the bunch.

    Just curious
     
  2. earlthegoat2

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    Lighter bullets I have found are a later philosophy. Big and slow was the old school way of thinking.
     
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  3. Pat Riot

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    I do believe it was a later load but I don’t recall how much later.
     
  4. Scooter22

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    AFAIK they were both available. At one time there was a 160grn offered. Talking about heavy bullets the .303 Savage, their answer to the .30WCF, had a 190grn bullet.
     
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  5. Pat Riot

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  6. 351 WINCHESTER

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    For what it's worth, I've been buying 150 grain since the early 70's. I think the original load was either a 160 or 165 grain.
     
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  7. Goosey

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    The original was a 160 grain in 1895, the 170 grain load followed a year later from Western.

    As for the 150 grain, as far as I can tell, it came out in about 1922 as a high-velocity alternative (also from Western).

     
  8. SwampWolf

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    The standard factory loads for the .30-30 Winchester for a long time was with 150 and 170 grain bullets. I think hunters chose the 170 grain bullet more often than not. Craig Boddington, in his book "American Hunting Rifles" noted, "...While the .30-30's initial loading used a 160-grain bullet, for many years the standard loading has been a 150-grain bullet at 2,390 feet per second, yielding 1,903 foot/pounds; and a 170-grain bullet delivering 2,220 fps and 1,827 foot/pounds." Mr. Boddington opined, "...On deer-sized game, the higher velocity of the 150-grain bullet tends to embark a bit more shock, but even so one should expect deer hit in the heart/lung area to exhibit little reaction to receiving the bullet. I've historically been more a fan of the 170-grain bullet, on the theory that since there isn't much velocity anyway you might as well have the added penetration of the heavier bullet". I seem to recall that Jack O'Connor shared the same opinion when comparing the 150-grain and 170-grain bullets shot from a 30-30 rifle while hunting for deer-sized game.
     
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  9. HB

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    Was the 30-30 ever offered with a lead bullet?

    I’m talking 1900-1970s factory and not a modern specialty load from HSM or a reman brand.

    The best 3030 ammo I’ve shot was Winchester Super X with a flat nose. It was old ammo by my standards but the bullets appeared with the eye more concentric and uniform than Cor-lokts or other current bullets. Shot much better.

    All I had were 170gr as well.

    HB
     
  10. Catcar67

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    My father and I both have used 150 gr for deer and 170/180 gr for elk. But then we never had to go to a 250 yard shot.
     
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  11. 351 WINCHESTER

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    I found that Winchester offered a 150 hollow point which I used for decades (still use it). It doesn't deform like jsp when you have to load & unload & they kill just as quick as any other round I've ever used.
     
  12. loose noose

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    I've cast some 150 grain flat nosed with a gas check, using the equivalent of Lyman #2 lead, and tried them on wild hogs. The last one that I used it on was about 140# sow and it did do the job, however my shot placement wasn't quite right so I destroyed a lot of meat. I've never seen the 150grn HP by Winchester, only the 150 and 170grn silver tips.
     
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  13. morcey2

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    I accidentally picked up a box of the 150 gr HP from Winchester. The 150 gr SP were on clearance at Sportsman's and I grabbed 6 boxes, one of which was the HPs. They shoot pretty well, but I've never shot anything other than paper or other random targets with them (soda cans/bottles, rotten apples (fruit, not tech) and tomatoes, etc).

    The cavity in the hollow point apparently is large enough to whistle over, but small enough that it creates a frequency that humans can't hear. I blew over the tip of one of them like you would with a pop bottle to get a tone from it. I didn't hear anything but our dog came running up looking really confused. He went back downstairs and I did it again. Same result. Maybe I'll try it again when I get home tonight. :D

    Matt
     
  14. Catpop

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    Morcey2,
    I love it!!!!!!:rofl:
     
  15. Riomouse911

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    My favorites were the WW Silvertip loads in the .30/30 with a 150 gr bullet. These never seemed to deform when loading or unloading either, and the 150 was just right for the distance and deer size the ranch offered.

    I still have some silvertips, some newer Federal and older PMC flatpoints, some Rem core lokts with the RN profile and even one box of Speer .30/30 ammo that came in the yellow hard plastic container like an MTM box.

    Stay safe!
     
  16. 351 WINCHESTER

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    You have to get your local gun shop to order them. I think they still make them, but they are not cheap.
     
  17. mustanger98

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    This is interesting... Do you know the brinnell hardness? Did the bullet expand or grenade? I've shot some Lazercast 170gr LFP-GC, .310" diameter, but never on deer-size game. I wonder how it'd compare, if it's not too hard to expand. Last I knew, in Georgia we still have to use "expanding bullets".
     
  18. Merle1

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    I wonder why you cant just order them yourself? :uhoh:
     
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