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30-30 ballistics/SD question

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by g_one, Apr 12, 2013.

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  1. g_one

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    Let me start off by saying that I do not intend on using 30-30 for self defense, nor do I even keep my Marlin 30-30 loaded in my home. I have handguns for that. I'm asking strictly for the sake of curiosity, should some crazy circumstance ever arrive that I've got a BG on the other end of the barrel.

    So, having said that - if I were to use a 30-30 at relatively close range (less than 25 yards) against a BG, would the result be as deadly as I assume it would be, or would the bullet end up just punching right through him and leave two .30" holes, with a charging attacker still headed my way?
     
  2. Creature

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    If its good for deer, it'll work on a human. Any of the 30-30 hunting loads (125gr-150gr-170gr expanding bullets) will put a stop to any gun fight quickly. I wouldn't hesitate to use a 30-30 for HD.
     
  3. Jsg81

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    My best guess would be that it would depend on what bullet was used and where the shot was placed.

    Hitting a bone, especially a thick bone (think pelvis) would deform a RN bullet to some extent and would increase the diameter of the exit wound.

    Even if no bone was hit I don't think most people would keep coming but then again I have never shoot anyone thankfully. If I did have to I wouldn't hesitate to grab my 30-30 and use a normal hunting load. I still keep my shotgun handy around the house to reduce over penetration.
     
  4. adelbridge

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    If i could choose a weapon to defend my home I would pick a .30-30 over any traditional handgun. I have seen what a .30-30 does to 200 lb land mammals and I can assure you it will blow through an attacker at close range. Over penetration would be the only drawback.
     
  5. X-Rap

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    Aside from what I load for my Contender almost all my 30-30 get loaded with 110gr hollow points. They are very accurate and if a 115gr from a 9mm is an adeqate defense round in a pistol I can't imagine how well a similar bullet would be at well over 2000 FPS. There is little doubt that a heavier hunting bullet would give full penetration at SD ranges, my only worry would be what was behing my target.
     
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    It'll work fine, but overpenetration with standard hunting loads will be a serious concern. If I felt there was even a remote possibility of using my 30-30 I'd get some lighter 125 gr or lighter bullets designed for varmits to keep around for this use.
     
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    If one lives in a rural area the 30/30 is a fine weapon for self defense. It has enough power to bust car windshields and doors. Most lever action rifles have enough capacity to stop a home invasion. Sadly, home invasions are happening more often to the elderly in rural areas.
     
  8. shafter

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    That 30-30 would be quite devastating. A center mass shot would knock him flat no doubt...maybe not send him flying across the room (only a 12ga or 45 does that) but quite dead in any case.
     
  9. Creature

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    They do? Wow!
     
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  11. Creature

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    ...me too.
     
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    Considering the power of the .357 for HD is essentially never disputed, the much more powerful 30-30 pretty much has a lock on getting the job done. As would 5.56 x 45, 7.62 x anything. 30 carbine would do very well too...very well.

    HD is about accessibility of the firearm when needed, placement of the shot under duress, control of the bullet vis-a-vis your family and neighbors, and only then power. With a 30-30, you got the power thing nailed right out of the gate.
     
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    I'd much rather have a .30/30 to stop anything with two or four legs than any handgun at least through .44 mag.

    .30/30 is a great HD choice.
    If overpenetration concerns you, go with the lightest (125 ish) bullets you find.
     
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    It will be a big hole , thats for sure. Just like being hit by an AK 47 round x 2 . Most .30 30s use the 170 gr vs the 123 gr of the AK SKS round.
     
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    My .44 is my bedside gun, my .30-.30 is my closet gun for defense. I load it with 170 grain flat nose air cooled bullet pushed to around 1800fps.

    Works well on critters and targets, plus provides easy maneuverability in the hallway.
     
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    I have personally seen a person shot in the thigh at less than 20ft with a 30-30. It left a mess of the leg. There was extensive tissue and bone damge. The bullet passed through a glass sliding door prior to hitting the criminal. We were called out (I am a Paramedic) for a gunshot wound and upon arriving on the scene we found that an inmate was taken to a Dr appoinment during which he assualted the escorting CO and escaped with his gun. He ran through the neighborhood and tried to get into a house which just happened to be occupied by a quick thinking elderly man with a 30-30 winchester. Seeing this inmate in an orange jumpsuit holding a gun trying to get into his house he shot through the glass door and hit the inmate in the thigh causing him to loose all will to fight. He was held until police arrived who cleared us to come in and treat the inmate and transport him.
     
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    I have personally seen a person shot in the thigh at less than 20ft with a 30-30. It left a mess of the leg. There was extensive tissue and bone damge. The bullet passed through a glass sliding door prior to hitting the criminal. We were called out (I am a Paramedic) for a gunshot wound and upon arriving on the scene we found that an inmate was taken to a Dr appoinment during which he assualted the escorting CO and escaped with his gun. He ran through the neighborhood and tried to get into a house which just happened to be occupied by a quick thinking elderly man with a 30-30 winchester. Seeing this inmate in an orange jumpsuit holding a gun trying to get into his house he shot through the glass door and hit the inmate in the thigh causing him to loose all will to fight. He was held until police arrived who cleared us to come in and treat the inmate and transport him.

    Did the crimminal Shout out "That's some nighty bold talk for a One Eyed Fat Man !"...J/K
    I built this for my brother, who finally got a couple more rifles and gave the 30-30 Marlin SC to my Mom.

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    So I guess we trust enough to give it to our Sainted Mother, so the answer would be Yes!
     
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    I do not understand why the OP went out of his way to say he would use a handgun over the 30 30. I think it is great for HD easy to wield just the right amount of power does not recoil that much multiple rounds what not to like?
     
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    Shessh, people kill bears with the old antiquated 30-30, even though there are those that will tell you it won't even kill a deer anymore.

    Any good quality soft point is going to work superbly as an anti-personnel round.

    But, just incase you aren't sure it will be sufficient, I suggest you get a 45-70 and feed it some of Buffalo Bores 45-70 Magnum ammo. Try the one that's got about 3600 ft.lbs of muzzle energy. That should work for your average 100 lb junkie breaking in to steal stuff to get a fix.
     
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    Well damn, you guys almost have me wanting to get one of those Magnum Research 30-30 revolvers to go along with my Marlin...
     
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    Shoot it indoors, and your hearing will never be the same! Most any gun indoors will deafen you, but a .30 cal bottlenecked rifle round? Gives me the willies.
     
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    I've read "back in the day" that rural deputies would often be armed with .30-30 rifles as their duty long gun. If it was seriously lacking they would have been using something else. Homo sapiens are similar in construction in the thoracic cavity to medium-sized whitetail deer. .30-30 rifles have been successfully used to take a lot of whitetail deer over the years. Read between the lines. Picking a loading with a 150g or a bit lighter projectile would be my suggestion.

    BTW, if you're contemplating using a centrefire rifle indoors, having active hearing protection handy to the rifle would be a good idea.

    something like the 3M Peltor SV Tactical Pro Hearing Protector or similar...
     
  24. X-Rap

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    I wonder if the guy in post 16 cares or wishes he would have went for his 22 instead?
     
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