30-30 load data

[Jesse Heywood]

I recently bought a pre-war Win 94 carbine. Had a friend cast some lead boolits for it, but I also have a can of 180 gr. JSP pulls that I would like to use, but none of my manuals show any data for any jackets that heavy. Any of y'all have any data for these bullets?

 

[splattergun]

S335 30.1 grn max. for the 180sp.
cast will need a lower charge, but I see no data.

 

[Bfh_auto]

Your jacket soft points aren't recommended for 30-30. There is a theoretical risk of igniting the primer. Also the shape of the bullet isn't correct for the seating depth in a lever action.

 

[Bfh_auto]

I could help with cast data if you give a bullet weight for it.

Also what pistol, shotgun, or rifle powder do you have available?

 

[Jesse Heywood]

These bullets have a round nose.

I have load data for the lead. 158 gr RN with gas checks. Thanks.

 

[DocRock]

30-30 bullets are usually flat point. RN bullets still run the risk of igniting primers in a tube magazine. Check nose against a primer pocket to see. If that’s okay, try a dummy round to make sure it will feed from magazine. The RN ogive may make the OAL too long to feed. To get it to feed, you may have to seat it too deep. However, if you can seat it to cannelure or not too deep, and it will feed, use data for the bottom end of a 170 grs JSP. With the likes of IMR 3031 or H4895, you can work up a little without too much risk, but shouldn’t stray above middle range and if it is sitting deep, stick to the bottom end of the 170 grs range.

 

[dgod]

I would recommend a hollow point bullet, (either cast or FMJ). There is a potential problem with any other bullet type being against primers in the tube. IF you wanted a Soft Point type in the chamber (Only), you should be good bro go, just nut in tube...

Good Luck
Dan

 

[Charlie98]

These bullets have a round nose.

I'm curious... everyone is busting on you about pointed bullets, what exactly do these look like? When I read 'round nose,' I think the old CoreLokt broad RN profile... perfectly safe in a tube magazine. Are these .308" bullets?

As far as load data, I have some for cast 180's, but not jacketed. I would proceed like Doc suggests... with 170grn jacketed starting data, using something like IMR3031.

 

[dgod]

Look at the bullet in question...Could/would this bullet (Just the part that leaves the firearm) possibly cause the Primer/Bullet of the Bullet above it in the ammo tube to detonate from primer contact? Think about it!!!

 

[Charlie98]

Look at the bullet in question...Could/would this bullet (Just the part that leaves the firearm) possibly cause the Primer/Bullet of the Bullet above it in the ammo tube to detonate from primer contact? Think about it!!!

What bullet? With the exception of 'these bullets have a round nose' and 'JSP' we have no idea of the bullet profile.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I recently bought a pre-war Win 94 carbine. Had a friend cast some lead boolits for it, but I also have a can of 180 gr. JSP pulls that I would like to use, but none of my manuals show any data for any jackets that heavy. Any of y'all have any data for these bullets?

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I have some older Sierra 180gr. JSP(RN) I was given years back for .30 US (.30-40Krag) loads by a friend who was getting out reloading and I have loaded them in .30-30 Winchester for my Savage-Stevens 340B using Sierra 170gr. JSP(FN) data successfully - 28.0gr. IMR 3031 for 2000fps. It's a mild load because the Savage/Stevens/Springfield "improved" 300-series action used only a single-locking-lug bolt-body and I never wanted to push it like a really strong lever or single-shot action. For your Winchester, I would start with the 170gr. starting load and work up VERY slowly until you get good 100 yard groups. Don't worry about +/-100fps velocity with that bullet, hitting the right spot is far more important than hitting the wrong spot real hard.

Keep in mind when people warn you about potential primer strikes, they're right and you maybe ought to take it seriously. A RN is NOT a FN, it is round. Yes, it's also a not-real-pointy round nose but it's NOT a wide, flat round nose like a pistol bullet or cast lead rifle bullet - and it is still not flat or close to flat. It's also important to see how hard or soft the lead is - dent it pretty good with a fingernail and it's probably soft enough not to dent a primer; try and dent it and it *may* be hard enough if tweaked and twerked just right in the tube to dent the primer ahead of it.

I use the Sierra 180gr. JSP-RN in a box-fed bolt-action rifle, not a tube-fed lever-action rifle and advise you to do the same. You only have to be wrong once to end up with a blowd up rifle and new nickname you never wanted. Flat nose or wide soft round nose in tubes, only.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

These bullets have a round nose.

I have load data for the lead. 158 gr RN with gas checks. Thanks.

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Can you post a picture of some? Do they look like this?

 

[rsnell]

The bullet in the GeoDudeFlorida post is a jacketed round nose bullet and is not designed to be used with a gas check. Stay with the bullets used by the bullet or powder manufacturers.

 

[DocRock]

The bullet in the GeoDudeFlorida post is a jacketed round nose bullet and is not designed to be used with a gas check. Stay with the bullets used by the bullet or powder manufacturers.

This is perplexing....

Are there jacketed bullets with which you use a gas check? May we see?

 

[Keyfer 55]

I have used 180 speer in my T/ C encore there not much to benefit. stick to 3030 bullets save yourself a lot time.

 

[Jesse Heywood]

My apologies on the lead bullet. It's a flat nose, not a rn. But that's not what I was asking about.
This is the bullet.

 

[Jesse Heywood]

 

[Jesse Heywood]

Danged phone.

 

[DocRock]

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i don’t think that’s going to work. I think the nose will fit in a primer pocket and it will be too long to feed. But in these times of scarcity, worth checking out. See my post above.

 

[Hugger-4641]

Am I missing something here? The bullet in Jesse Heywood's post looks almost identical to the Remington Core Lock and Federal below. These were designed for 30-30 and tube mags and I have used plenty of this type of bullet in my model 94. I'd be surprised if they have any loading or feeding problems. As mentioned above, if the lead is soft enough to dent, it shouldn't be an issue. I can't say it would be impossible for that type bullet to impact a primer, but in 37 years of of using mine, I've never had a problem. Of course, I've never dropped my 94 or banged the stock against anything to try and see either. Just my opinion for what it's worth, if I missed something in this conversation, please correct me.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Am I missing something here? The bullet in Jesse Heywood's post looks almost identical to the Remington Core Lock and Federal below. These were designed for 30-30 and tube mags and I have used plenty of this type of bullet in my model 94. I'd be surprised if they have any loading or feeding problems. As mentioned above, if the lead is soft enough to dent, it shouldn't be an issue. I can't say it would be impossible for that type bullet to impact a primer, but in 37 years of of using mine, I've never had a problem. Of course, I've never dropped my 94 or banged the stock against anything to try and see either. Just my opinion for what it's worth, if I missed something in this conversation, please correct me.

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Look how far toward the base the cannelure is on Jesses bullet and compare it to the Sierra ProHunter I posted and the CoreLokt you posted. Also compare the tips and the amount of exposed lead on each. I’m pretty sure what Jesse has are Sierra and they are not recommended for tube magazines.

 

[Hugger-4641]

Ok, thanks!. I see now. Yes I see that if you crimped Jesse's bullet where you are supposed to, which is what you better do with a tube mag, that bullet would definitely exceed OA cartridge length max.

 

[Charlie98]

I wonder if that bullet isn't for something like .30-40 Krag or similar.

OP, assuming you still go ahead and load these bullets, I would test seat one, first... that is, seat it to the cannelure, then check to make sure it chambers properly in your rifle. With an ogive so long, it's likely you would be engaging the rifling... which isn't good. I would also guess they would be over max COAL, but without exact dimensions, I'm just guessing. The ogive taper starts just past the cannelure, so deep-seating the bullet really isn't an option.

As far as the RN/FN profile of the bullet, I don't see a problem. I, also, have bullets with a very similar profile used in tube magazines, including my heavy recoiling .348WCF. I wouldn't hesitate to use them.

 

[Bfh_auto]

For all the people talking about the need to crimp in a lever action.
Have you actually tested for it?
Also have you get tried to ignite a primer with an fmj bullet? Not to mention the round nose bullet the OP is talking about using.
I personally wouldn't use 170 grain data with them.
If the OP wants. I would be willing to trade him for flat point 30-30 bullets.
I have several rifles that can use them and started running cast in my 30-30.

 

[FROGO207]

Uh the biggest issue here is if you are actually going to use them for hunting. The 30-30 bullets made for them are made to expand at lower velocities. If the rifle will feed a bullet that long and not lock up it might work out. If you have the 30-30 Lee FCD you can crimp a cannalure anywhere you want and ignore the present one. If it would make one feel safer you could run a file across the top of the lead and flatten out the point enough. Those bullets the OP had were for 30-06/300 WIN MAG dangerous game rounds IIRC. They were designed as deep penetrators before Partitions and Interloct type bullets were thought of.