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30-30 out of a lee enfield?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Gunnerboy, Sep 26, 2011.

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  1. Gunnerboy

    Gunnerboy Member

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    I already know that a 30-30 can shoot out of a lee enfield they chamber just fine and fit in the chamber, but i was wondering if anyone has every done this and shot a round out , and yes i know its stupid and not a bright idea but im just curious.
     
  2. DPris

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    Stupid would be the word, as you noted.
    Denis
     
  3. redbullitt

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    no sir. Maybe pull the bullet, dump the powder, resize in proper die, repowder and seat new bullet?

    Yeah, I dont think I would .
     
  4. M1key

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    Try rechambering the SMLE in 54 Russian. I understand it works like a champ and is a lot safer...

    SC
     
  5. wlewisiii

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    Have a .30-30 barrel put on it, hand load with spitzers & have a damn fine hunting rifle.
     
  6. nathan

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    A good answer will be from a gunsmith, but dont try it.
     
  7. 303tom

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    I don`t think I would try it !
     
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  8. El Mariachi

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    Is .303 ammo that pricey? Or just hard to find?....
     
  9. GCBurner

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    Seems he's asked that same dumb question for several different calibres in various Forums, now.
    Yesterday he was posting about shooting a .444 Marlin in a .45/.410 Taurus Judge revolver.
     
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  10. nathan

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    Not that pricey, I picked a box for deer season 180gr. SP. 16 bucks at Midway a couple of weeks ago & they a bunch on the shelf.
     
  12. El Mariachi

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    Hmmmm, I've been paying $15 x 20 for my 30-30 ('cuz I haven't got into reloading yet) but just $5.95 x 15 for my corrosive Yugo mid 50's 8m Mauser stuff. Which except for the extra cleaning procedures I need to do, is perfectly fine for me....
     
  13. AK_Maine_iac

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    NO NO NO

    If you do!

    I foresee a post on how to reattach fingers. How to remove metal shards form an eye.

    Never load and shoot any caliber other than what a gun is chambered for and what is MARKED ON THE BARREL.
     
  14. scythefwd

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    AK - you ever shoot .32 shorts out of a .327 mag?
    How bout .32 longs in a .32 H&R mag?
    How bout any of the above in a the .32 H&R, or .32 Long in the .327 mag?
    OK OK.. I know, not the same...
    My barrel is marked .308 win, can I fire 7.62 nato?
    How bout a .380 firing 9mm kurtz ammo? (this is an issue of symantecs)
    .38 sp in a .357?
    .223 in a 5.56 nato
    .30-30 in an .30-30 AI?

    Honestly, I could probably fire a .307 win in a .308 win.. .but I don't see the reason to try (both a .308, case dimension are just about identical, and the .307 is a lower pressure round that will chamber and headspace correctly off the .308 chamber but you'd have to have a very generous bolt face to accomdate the rim).

    What is marked on the barrel isn't always the definitive list on what a firearm will shoot.
     
  15. Curator

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    While definately NOT a good idea, I have in my teaching kit several .30-30 cases (and some .303 Savage cases) that were fired in a No4 Lee Enfield rifle by an idiot at my gun club. He was lucky that the Lee Enfield has good gas-venting or he would have been injured when some of the cases split length-wise. He only stopped doing it because the bullets hit sideways on his targets. God seems to protect some fools!
     
  16. WardenWolf

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    Case length at shoulder:

    .303 British: 1.79"

    .30-30 Winchester: 1.44"

    Difference: .35"

    Case width at shoulder: .401" on both.

    What this means:

    The shoulder on the .30-30 starts more than 1/4" before the shoulder on the .303's chamber. This means that the .30-30 cartridge would catastrophically fail at the unsupported shoulder if someone were stupid enough to fire it in a .303 British chamber.
     
  17. Sav .250

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    If the " lee enfield" was ment to a 30-30 cal waepon, they would have said so. Remember ,curiosity killed the cat.
     
  18. WardenWolf

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    Japanese Arisaka Type 38: protecting idiots from themselves for over 66 years. It's pretty much the one rifle that's impossible to blow up. It's intended to fire a 6.5mm round. P.O. Ackley couldn't blow it up by firing an overloaded .30-06 out of it, and neither could the dumb hunter who lengthened the chamber to .30-06 (same 6.5mm barrel) and actually hunted with it.

    Unfortunately, the Lee Enfield is not a Type 38, and you can't expect it to suffer idiots nearly as well.
     
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    Are you serious ???????????
     
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    Thats why i told my 4 yr old daughter last Sunday at the pool, dont drink the water. Its treated with chlorine to control bacteria. And if you thnk its okey, you ll get sick to the stomach.
     
  21. scythefwd

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    303 -
    I know it isn't the same thing here. I was pointing out the fallacy of "don't shoot it if it isn't stamped on the barrel" comment. My .32 H&R is stamped only .32 H&R... but the .32 longs and shorts are perfectly safe to fire out of it.

    The .30-30 out of a enfield.. that'll rupture the case every time. The action is sturdy enough to handle the pressure and the ruptured case (it headspaces off the RIM, not the shoulder... blowing out the shoulder shouldn't send too much gas back at you, unlike something that doesn't space off the rim). I nowhere said it was safe or smart.

    Now my .307 vs. .308... check the cartridge drawings... It can be done. From your extractor groove back will be unsupported on the .308 if it can also chamber the .307. You'd have to also remove the extractor to use the rimmed cartridge... I also said I didn't see any reason to try.
     
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    You guys do whatcha want----I'm just gonna feed mine exactly what it says on the barrels. 'Cuz I got a zillion other toys which to lose my fingers with that are both easier and quieter ...:D
     
  23. 303tom

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    OK I got you now, you were being sarcastic, I get it !!!!!!:banghead::banghead:
     
  24. ball3006

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    The question is why? The 303 is a good cartridge. 303 ammo it not that expensive....the Enfield design is much stronger than most people think. I witnessed an attempt to blow one up at the gunsmith school in Trinidad. It never did blow but did lock up with a rechamber to 300 win mag and a plugged bore.....chris3
     
  25. rcmodel

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    Actually, the shoulder would fire-form foreword to fill the chamber just fine. And it wouldn't hurt anything if it didn't, as the rest of the case behind the shoulder is where the gas seal occurs.

    It's the huge difference in case diameter between the two rounds where you would have to worry about splitting or gas leakage.

    Once the case body splits, the case gas seal is broken and the rifle will blow up.

    Anyway, firing a 30-30 or .32 Win Special in a 303 British are both listed as unsafe by SAAMI.
    http://www.saami.org/specifications...1-Unsafe_Arms_and_Ammunition_Combinations.pdf

    rc
     
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