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30-30 Vs Bear?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by full metal, Jul 23, 2008.

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  1. full metal

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    I am thinking of getting a marlin 30-30 with a scope for deer, but if I had to shoot a bear with it would it get the job done, or would I end up as bear food.:( I live in the State of Arizona the only bear around here is at the border line with New Merxico, but if I was to go to bear country I would like to know I could count on my rifle. I was also thinking on a 44 mag lever action for javalina, how would the 44 rifle hold up against a bear?.
     
  2. rcmodel

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    Assume you are talking about black bear?

    Either the 30-30 or .44 Mag carbine will kill them just fine.

    If I was to go to Alaska where the big tough bears live, I might consider a 45-70 lever-gun more suitable.

    rcmodel
     
  3. bestseller92

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    I'd wager more black bears have been dispatched with Thuttythutties than any other caliber.
     
  4. jmr40

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    With the right bullets I also think either would be fine. I like the heavier 170's in the 30-30 instead of the 150's and even lighter some people use. Same for the .44, use a good quality bullet of at least 240gr.

    While both will work I have found that the 30-30 is generally more accurate and it gives you more range for deer hunting.
     
  5. Reddbecca

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    I'll agree with what everybody else has said; the .30-30 should work against black bear, but against anything bigger I'm gonna want the .45-70.

    If you know that you're gonna be facing a bear and all you have is a .30-30, then you'd better be an awful good shot.
     
  6. NCsmitty

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    The 308 Marlin is also an option if you have the extra cash for the couple hundred fps that you can gain. You can almost buy two 30-30 models for what the 308 model costs.

    NCsmitty
     
  7. W.E.G.

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    The 30-30 should be plenty gun out to about 150 yards for southern Arizona bear.
     
  8. Shawnee

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    The 30/30 will be just fine on black bears.

    :cool:
     
  9. karnaaj

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    I wouldn't feel too uncomfortable with a 30-30 but I sure as hell wouldn't feel like I had too much gun either. Not too many people go into the woods specifically looking for bear armed with such a weapon. Why take the risk?
     
  10. Matt-J2

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    If a bear was charging me and I was armed with shoulder fired TOW missiles, I still wouldn't feel like I had too much gun.


    If I was hunting deer with a .30-30, I'd feel fine with it in case of black bear. Given that it would most likely already be in hand if a bear charged, I'd probably start firing right away rather than drop it and try and grab some other gun. If you're really worried about it, a .45-70 certainly isn't too small for deer.
    Also, folks use .44mag in a pistol as bear defense, a rifle so chambered can't be any worse, though I don't think it has the same range as the .30-30 for deer, if that's a concern.

    In short, any of them should work, just pick the trade-offs you're most comfortable with.
     
  11. Macchina

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    I have a Marlin Lever gun in .44 magnum, and love the gun. I don't think you'd have time to shoot 10 shots, but the .44 does have 4 more capacity in the tube. I'd feel comfortable with either a 30-30 or a .44, but would choose a .44. 240 grains of lead in a .44 diameter ball traveling near 2000 FPS is not going to do any good to a bears skull. In my opinion, if you have a lever gun, don't put a scope on it. If you are shooting far enough to need a scope, you should be using a long distance rifle. Look into HS halo sights, they are amazing. I can keep 10 shots from .44 inside a 4" circle at 100 yards, and I am not an experienced open sight shooter, my Marlin is the only open sight rifle I have.

    One thing for sure, I'd rather have a lever gun if faced with a bear than a slightly more powerful bolt action. You can get a few shots off pretty fast.
     
  12. ECVMatt

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    I agree with the rest...

    I have both a .30/30 and a .44 or two...

    I would be happy with either for the situation you are describing.

    michaelmcgo: What is an HS Halo Sight? I have never heard of them and can't find them on the web. Thanks,

    Matt
     
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    You can add two by me over the past 4 years. Both went down within 50 yards and left a blood trail that Mr. Magoo could follow!

    If you see the posibility of shooting at a bear at anything over 150 yards, shoot something flatter and more powerful like a .270 or .30-06.
     
  14. rcmodel

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    It remains to be seen if the .308 Marlin will still be around 20 years from now.

    But we already know you won't find any ammo for them at the deer-woods Stop & Puke gas station like you will 30-30 & .44 Mag ammo.

    rcmodel
     
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    30-30 (170 grain bullets) is enough for black bear.

    It's old but that doesn't mean it's impotent.
     
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    "old but not impotent"

    Good words, Goonie. The 30-30 is America's hunting round. :)
     
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    Don't overlook the same gun in .35 Rem
     
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    Up here in Alaska you would be amazed how many 30-30s are out in the bush villages. Tons of them. And they take every sort of critter you can think of.

    There is a saying up here, that the closer you get to a big city, the larger the caliber of the rifles become.

    A real rifleman with a 30-30 is a lot more dangerous than an occasional shooter with a 458 Lott.
     
  19. goon

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    Makes sense.
    For a pound of ammunition you probably get a lot more shots from a 30-30 than from a larger rifle.
    The efficiency could make a difference to people who have to carry their ammuntion a long way or who have to pay a lot to have it brought to them.
     
  20. Float Pilot

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    Actually it has more to do with folks talking themsleves into larger calibers. Much easier to do when you work for a descent wage and drive by the gunstore on the way home from work.

    In the bush villages, a rifle is just another abused tool like a chainsaw. Used on a regular basis and often neglected. Usually shooting one legal moose during the season eevry year and God knows how many during poaching season. When they occasionally run across a bear they just blast him with a whole magazine tube full of old 150 grain flat-points.

    I have lots of calibers because the voices in my head tell me to buy them. But I seldom use many of them for hunting or critter protection.

    I have taken every critter up here with a 7x57mm Mauser and the largest moose I every shot was with a 30-30.

    While I have hunted them in the past, Brown Bears (Grizzly for the outside folks) don't bother me and I no longer bother them. So I feel just fine taking a 30-06 or short lever carbine with me while flying out in the sticks, so I can leave my 375HH at home.
     
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    we have grizz around here all the time so no not for me
     
  22. poorfolks

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    if i had to pick i would say bear. definitely the winner.
     
  23. karnaaj

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    You might want to let the fish and wildlife service know that. Grizzly Bears are extremely uncommon in Washington.:rolleyes:
     
  24. Bullet Bob

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    "if I had to shoot a bear with it would it get the job done"
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    Really, it depends on where you shoot it. In the right place, the .30-30 is fine. In the wrong place, it really doesn't matter (except for the guy above with the TOW).
     
  25. Fozzy_Bear

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    I agree with Float Pilot.

    I have a winchester 30-30 that I got for my 13th birthday (25 years ago). And I have an AR-10 that I just finished (this month) assembling.

    The .308 is much better on paper.. more energy, flatter shooting, better sights, MUCH higher capacity. And I'm pretty accurate with it... but I can call my shot like a professional pool player with my birthday gun - even under stress (yes, I do know for sure.). So if I was in genuine fear of harm (again), it's the 30-30 that would be in my hands.

    Now, If I was starting over as a young man... I'd spend all those years practicing with the AR; the numbers just don't lie... but that's not to say i regret the time with the Winchester.

    And don't let the comment a bout ammo availability go un-noticed. that's important.
     
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